Fewer births is good news - a solution rather than a problem. There needs to be fewer humans if we're to avoid cooking ourselves and sending other species into extinction. We should all be so lucky as China to have this 'problem'.
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Sure, but that’s an environmental solution to what they see as an economical problem.
We need to rethink how economies work in a population shrink.
Good news everyone! We all DO have this problem... It's just most obvious in China because they industrialized and urbanized more rapidly than anyone else AND had this stupid legal policy.
Industrialization, urbanization and improving healthcare also significantly drops births, to below the replacement rate of 2.1. The whole world is on this path, with China, Japan, South Korea, Germany and Russia leading the way.
And before anyone thinks different, the US is on this path too. Our population is still growing because of immigration, but birth rate is well below replacement value and dropping
Hence one of the miriad of reasons why immigration is such a good policy for a country. Attract younger skilled workers who directly contribute to the economy.
I’m generally optimistic about the future but this is a place where I’m not. Specifically for the US, immigration has always been a strength. From cultural distinctiveness to the bulk of labor at times to innovation and competitiveness, from arts to science e to technology, people have been attracted to the US from all over the world and have made this place much better in so many ways. Why are so many people trying to ruin it? Why is there such fear? Why are you taking something that’s clearly a strength and trying to ruin it for outselves?
There is an interesting bit in this channel 5 video. People all over the world have this false image of the US as a paradise and prosperity and freedom, but the lived experience of immigrants is quite harsh in recent years.
The problem is the aging population.
The problem is lack of bodies for the meat grinder that is the world economy.
The problem is the lack of bodies to make rich people richer
The problem is lack of bodies for the meat grinder that is the world economy.
The problem is the lack of bodies to make rich people richer
"They're the same picture"
It can be a problem for any structure of society. Lots of old people and not enough young people to support them. Or look at Detroit. Infrastructure designed for a city twice the size, and still has to be maintained with a shrunken tax base.
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Who's going to take care of 4 aging grandparents and 2 aging parents when they all share only one young person between them?
In my own family:
- my grandfather was one of 13
- my Mom was one of 6
- I was one of 4
- the four of us have a total of 3 kids
Clearly you and your siblings need to up your game /s
Far too late for that problem. We're already in the middle of the next Great Extinction.
It does seem like it's underway doesn't it..
I disagree that we're anywhere close to the middle though. This is just the prologue.
Mamy species in number have already gone extinct. I agree it will get much worse, but it's definitely begun.
Let's hope no one pulls a Thanos
An extinction even is just a voiceless, faceless, impersonal Thanos, one even Ant-Man couldn't beat...
China has a surplus of men. Russia has surplus of women. Seems like there's an easy solution there.
Pretty sure they're both too racist for that.
You underestimate puberty
It's not a matter of puberty; it's a matter of immigration. Which of those countries is going to be willing to accept a mass influx of minorities from the other?
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Let them fight!
This but unironically. The entire east end of Russia is a steamy mix of Slavic and Han Chinese ethnicity.
based on tables of calculations that applied mathematical models used to calculate rocket trajectories to population growth.
TO THE MOOOOOON!!! 🚀🌝💎✊💎✊
I wonder where China would be right now population wise if it wasn't for the one child policy.
Look at the population growth rate of India for an example.
Yes and no.
As a nation industrializes and gains access better medicine, the survival rate infants and mothers go up. This leads to a birthrate increase.
That better medicine also includes effective birth control. As birth control becomes accepted, the birth rate naturally falls off.
The next thing that causes a birthrate fall off is the mood of the potential parents. If they think their children will have as good a life or better then they had, then those people will have children. If they think their children will have a worse life, they will not.
India is still in the process of industrialization. Birth control is not widely accepted, and parental optimism is high.
In China birth control is more accepted, and currently parental optimism is low.
China enacted the one child policy (which this article talks about) in an era where they were undergoing rapid industrialization (as you mentioned, India is going through it now). Today's parental optimism (or lack thereof) is separate from that.
It seems it's also very correlated with education (of women)
Still your points stand, just wanted to add that as well
The solution is clear. Invade other countries and take their women.
Conan, what is good in life?
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I genuinely wonder how differently this would have played out if China had managed to keep an equal m/f ratio.
Huh. I didn't have soylent green on my 2024 bingo card.
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