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Study of sea sponges lead scientists to believe Earth has already passed 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming (abcnews.go.com)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe to c/news@lemmy.world
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The planet could see 2 degrees Celsius of warming by the end of the decade.

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[–] karashta@kbin.social 93 points 9 months ago (15 children)

"Karashta, you don't want kids? You'd make a great dad."

I've been asked this several times by close friends since my early 20s. My response has always been about what I feel is the irresponsibility of bringing a child I will desperately love into a world that I've seen crumbling around me since my teens.

People called me stupid for believing in things like the oncoming ecological and societal collapses, despite me trying to show them what I'd seen and read.

Somehow, "I told you so," doesn't, in any way, make me feel better about the situation.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you still think you'd make a great dad, there's lots of kids that already need one.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

When I (hopefully) get my life together enough for myself, this is what I would look into.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My mom is desperate for grandchildren and she is so upset that our branch of the family will end with me. I'm not ever having a child or adopting. Shit is way too fucked for that and is only getting worse. I'm 26, and I fully expect to see society as we know it collapse within my lifetime. My hope is that humanity falling due to its own hubris will allow the planet to finally heal.

[–] PeterLossGeorgeWall@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

The planet will be fine. WE are fucked, the planet doesn't give a shit about us.

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Our sole, shared environment is COMMUNal.

Market Capitalism requires infinite growth/metastasis on a finite world of finite resources. Its very nature is as impossible as one pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

IF humanity cared about its own future, it doesn't btw, we'd be focused on shrinking humanity's footprint significantly over the next few generations to find homeostasis/equilibrium with this world, the only world we will ever encounter as a species that is naturally hospitable to us.

But that's a non starter. Not only will we not do that, but we will refuse to so much as temper our reckless growth/metastasis, even in the face of oblivion.

It's darkly hilarious how many unwashed peasants, losers of this rigged global economy, still RAGE against the concept of an economy that focuses on having everyone's basic needs met sustainably, because there would be no room for the super yachts and private jets they would never be allowed aboard anyway under such an economy.

We're literally gambling with our own extinction, and losing, in the name of "but someday I might be rich. And then people like me better watch their step!" It's the height of pathetic.

[–] LibertyLizard 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I largely agree with you but I also think advocates of radical change like this need to create a working model of what this actually looks like and implement it somewhere before people will trust that these ideas can help them. Obviously this is very difficult within the context of modern society but I don’t think it’s surprising that most people are wary of radical political and economic change.

I don’t think people are as worried about one day being rich as they are about utopian charlatans wrecking the economy and dropping them into poverty. There is a lot of propaganda that works to heighten this fear as well.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I hear you, but It's impossible to create a working model. The US literally toppled South American governments to make its resource markets open to our market capitalists. Look what we've inflicted on Cuba for half a century, and I look to their survival in the face of it as inspirational.

The global market capitalists endeavor to exploit and enshittify every national economy that dares to serve its citizens over private shareholders at every turn, to dehumanize societies for profit.

You may be right, that if all we can do is make claims in our appeal for radical action, the market capitalists will maintain power. To that I say, that is probably what will happen. This isn't a fairy tale or a movie where everything will work out in the end, the trajectory we're on leads to hell for our species, and we will in all likelihood arrive to that hell. If we're too comfortable or too afraid to do otherwise in spite of the evidence and increasingly our experience of the consequences, this only ends one way.

Market capitalism has been tested, run its course, and imho, it takes a fool not to declare it a complete failure and danger to the species. But I'm just a random perceptive asshole, so that doesn't change anything.

[–] LibertyLizard 2 points 9 months ago

Difficult but I disagree that it is impossible. All things end eventually, even capitalism. The question is how can we best move towards that inevitable end? I think practicing what we preach in an organized collective manner is a key element that has been missing.

[–] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

advocates of radical change like this need to create a working model of what this actually looks like and implement it somewhere before people will trust that these ideas can help them

The CIA would have a word about that

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So how long are you going to let fear stop you from doing what is right?

[–] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fear isn't stopping me, a lack of power and influence is stopping me.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fear is clearly what's stopping you because you are not trying to gain power and influence because of it.

[–] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

I have less money to my name than the average person earns in a week, what do you want me to do? I'm busy surviving.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

🤔 We all could put money together and go start some intentional communities out in Oregon or something.

Hell, we can look at the Amish to see what works and what doesn't.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We all could put money together and go start some intentional communities out in Oregon or something.

This sort of thing was attempted many times in the 60s and 70s. They tended to devolve into the kind of petty authoritarianism you see in homeowners associations, then chaos, then nothing.

Hell, we can look at the Amish to see what works and what doesn't.

Religious fanaticism works for them.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This sort of thing was attempted many times in the 60s and 70s. They tended to devolve into the kind of petty authoritarianism you see in homeowners associations, then chaos, then nothing.

So we need to build an economic model that allows people to truly be independent of one another, so we're not dependent on one another to survive anymore. 🤔 That could be doable with today's technology, certainly with near-future stuff

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 9 months ago

I highly recommend the documentary series All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace by Adam Curtis. He outlines connections between applications of computer technology, Rand's Objectivism, Alan Greenspan's influence on economics, and techno-utopian ideas, especially through the 70s, 80s and 90s. A lot of it is the groundwork for today's big tech companies and the current state of the economy. Episode 2 addresses the attempts at intentional communities directly.

So we need to build an economic model that allows people to truly be independent of one another, so we're not dependent on one another to survive anymore.

This is functionally impossible. We are all interdependent and the direction of technology development and international trade has made this ever more true. A great example is Thomas Thwaites' attempt to build a toaster from scratch (a relatively simple, inexpensive consumer product requires a very complex trade and manufacturing infrastructure to bring into existence).

And personally, I would argue that it is the wrong direction, and the wrong intention. Rather than trying to divest ourselves of interdependence, we should be acknowledging it and recognizing cooperation and mutual assistance as the true power of human society. We are all in this thing together.

Ultimately, you can't solve social problems with technology.

[–] LibertyLizard 2 points 9 months ago

People have done this but what I’m envisioning is something in more direct contact and dialogue with broader society. Rural ICs are cool but they are a bit isolated. Not to mention, most people live in cities and probably won’t want to move to the country. So I think this idea would work better as embedded in an urban area.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Thank you, sometimes I feel like the only person who thinks like this and it's refreshing to be reminded I'm not.

Similarly, I don't understand the human obsession with constantly increasing the world population... as if that isn't inherently a bad thing. Isn't it obvious a finite pizza of fixed size cut into more slices means less pizza per person?

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly I'm over how fucked we are at this point.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Will it be hell? Yeah. But every 0.1 degrees we prevent will help. We can't stop fighting because we are not the only people suffering. There are way way way more people that are terrified and are fighting really damn hard. We should never abandon those people. Then we are just bending over to the big polluting corporations. Every 0.1 degrees can save so many damn lives. Humanity WILL survive. Most of is in the west will. Giving up and letting the people in the worst parts of the world rot and burn is not something we should do.

Sorry but i really fucking hate the doomer comments here about giving up.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Scroll down. I'm still going to do what I can. But I'm resigned to the fact that, odds are, it's beyond hope.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad I decided to start traveling while I still can

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep. Have fun while you can. I mean I'm going to still do what I can do, vote for the right people but... At this point... It's like we are a person still diligently showing up to all his chemotherapy appointments despite the fact he's resigned to it not working in the end.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yep. The people in power are the people in power precisely because they only think about what's in it for them. That is what humanity rewards and elevates: selfishness. Oh I'm sorry, they rebranded selfishness into a positive trait: "rational self-interest." what a lovely Orwellian flourish.

Humans that consider how their actions may negatively effect others are not. Only practicing sociopaths are permitted to steer this ship, and wouldn't you know it, they're steering us right into oblivion for short term ego score returns.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 24 points 9 months ago

Lovely. This is refreshing between all the news about people losing their jobs and the economy booming. At least the shareholders are happy. Yay!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Buried lead - They counted from earlier than other studies because they believe (based on data) that warming started earlier.

Super Buried lead - Counting from the "traditional" start point we've got 1 out of 1.5 degrees on the score board.

Joy.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

(lede)

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

and here I was, wondering what a piece of metal had to with any of it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

TIL lede isn't just the British word for lead.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

🤔 I wonder why we weren't told global warming started earlier.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Possibly we just didn't know. They said they had to study a specific Caribbean sea creature to figure it out.

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Science is cool. Even if the news ain’t great.

[–] Johandea@feddit.nu 8 points 9 months ago

Science is cool. Even if the earth ain't.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pfft! Balony that is low number why not add one more!

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Surely we can do better than that!

Narrator: and indeed they could.

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

I thought those were donut holes and now I'm sad.

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