I love how westerners consider political capture of a rogue province of Taiwan by US cool and normal. Just imagine how much foaming at the mouth there would be if Russia started backing a separatist government in Texas. I mean libs are still losing their shit over the made up Russiagate conspiracy, so I guess we don't have to imagine.

[–] KoboldOfArtifice@ttrpg.network 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Taiwan isn't exactly a rogue province. It's the holdover of the prior government of China that lost the revolutionary war and retreated there.

It doesn't entirely invalidate the point, but it has to be said that the situation is markedly different from the one with Texas.

It's more like if Texas overthrew the US government in a violent rebellion and the UK worked to support the holdover of the old US government that retreated to Puerto Rico.

Nothing that happened since has invalidated truly the right of Taiwan to remain a sovereign state. It's in no sense a rogue province.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Taiwan is literally a rogue province, and it's recognized as being part of China by the UN and vast majority of countries around the globe. Taiwan has never been a sovereign state and it never will be one. You don't have to take my word for it though, here's what US state department has to say on the subject:

The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

[–] KoboldOfArtifice@ttrpg.network -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Taiwan never has been a sovereign state"

I guess the Republic of China never existed?

[+] ag10n@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

For whomever decided that this should be buried, this is not Reddit. Your downvotes have no power here.

Ackchyually, we can delete your comments should, we choose to.

One China | United States policy

The United States did not explicitly state the sovereign status of Taiwan in the three US-PRC Joint Communiqués of 1972, 1979, and 1982.

The United States "acknowledged" the "One China" position of both sides of the Taiwan Strait.

U.S. policy has not recognized the PRC's sovereignty over Taiwan;

U.S. policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and

U.S. policy has considered Taiwan's status as unsettled.

[–] DonnieDarkmode@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Point of order; being strongly pro-Taiwan/anti CPC is as Reddit as it gets, whereas Lemmy, which was founded by Leftists booted off of Reddit (I mean it’s lemmy.ml for Marxist-Leninist, etc.) is not traditionally a place that’s going to focus on mainstream western perspectives of China.

Not even wading into the actual debate here, just figured I should note that

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I always find it silly how Westerners have no grasp of reunification in a non-military manner.

In the same way say, France and Germany might have a unified economy or Canada and the US might have a unified culture, it's entirely possible to maintain legislative and/or budgetary independence under a unified front. In fact, that's already more-or-less true of China's governments: the proportion of government spending at the federal level is only 15% of all government spending. This includes spending for defence, science & technology, public security, public services, education, and diplomacy.

[–] Varcour@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, because that worked so incredibly well in the past. Just look what a great time the Tibetans had. How Hong Kong is flourishing. Tell me more about Chinas great track record when it comes to honouring it's regions independence.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

These Tibetans, that's what you're seriously trying to argue here? 🤡 https://www.historicly.net/p/tibet-china-and-the-violent-reaction

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

In November, a Taiwan court heard accusations that two serving soldiers had accepted bribes from Chinese agents to record a video declaring their loyalty to China and their intention to defect in the event of a war.

The colonel was found guilty of having accepted monthly payments totalling more than half a million Taiwan dollars (£12,500) to delay his retirement for years and serve as a spy.

The ruling Chinese Communist party (CCP) claims Taiwan is a province of China, and its leader, Xi Jinping, appears to have made “reunification” a crucial component of his future legacy.

Beneath all that is an apparently extensive and well-resourced network of spies and agents of influence seeking to steal secrets, gather intelligence, sow discord and undermine Taiwan’s democracy from within.

He told the Guardian morale was being affected by relentless cognitive warfare from China, and “outdated” leadership in the ROC military, which is historically rooted in the Kuomintang party (KMT).

“A military that has lost its spiritual beliefs and honour will not have the concept of loyalty to the country and the people, and will naturally not be able to withstand the temptation of high pay across the strait,” Chen tells the Guardian.

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