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[–] stown@sedd.it 312 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Another instance of inciting insurrection.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 55 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Way to go Merrick Garland.

Thanks for everything.

[–] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 25 points 9 months ago

BuT hE's BeInG tHoRoUgH.>.

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[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This one's even better because he's calling for state governors to support a treasonous one. What saddens me is that if this does break out into full blown civil war, a lot of national guardsmen are going to be in the area of operations. Using people as human shields for his political agenda yet again.

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[–] june@lemmy.world 212 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This fucker literally encouraging states to fight the federal government… alternatively known as engaging in civil war.

[–] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 9 months ago

Nah, he's just asking them to be "fine people" like those literal Nazis in Charlottesville, VA. Just a peaceful protest, with tiki torches and murder.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Treason with a capital T.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 102 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Given how much of a hard time as he has with pretty minor inconveniences, I think it’s safe to say he has no fucking clue what the real outcomes are that he’s trying to encourage.

I’m old enough to have family and family-of-friends who were personally around in WW2 and the occupation right after. Long story short, war’s not fun for anyone involved. If you don’t like having people say things about you in the newspapers, having people shooting at you or losing your home or not having anything to eat is going to be a real drag.

[–] MD756@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago (3 children)

War must be a lot easier when you know that you’re not going to be on the frontline, or something idk I’m not a general

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah. I think part of his thinking is that the suffering will happen to other people, and he'll be safely insulated, far away. I won't say he's crazy for thinking that. That said:

  1. A lot of the people who are in a position to support him will be squarely in sufferingtown.
  2. A lot of dictators meet with bad ends. E.g. Putin supposedly obsessively worries over what happened to Gaddafi in the end (and Gaddafi was a hell of a lot more capable at this game than Trump is.)
[–] Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

*Imagines Trump getting Gaddafi'd

Ahh, a girl can dream.

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[–] donuts@kbin.social 90 points 9 months ago

Trump leading another insurrection, but this time against the judicial branch instead of the legislative branch???

SHOCKED fucking PIKACHU fucking FACE.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 82 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Totally not an insurrectionist. Not at all.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just some mild treason… it’s not all that bad /s.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 9 months ago

No no no! He means send the national guard to tour a government building, take selfies, and leave in an orderly manner. You've got the wrong idea. You must be Antifa.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 79 points 9 months ago (4 children)

He's not the commander and chief he's just the old man yelling at cloud.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 35 points 9 months ago

He's the old man with plenty of violent followers who hang on his every word. He's not expecting any actual National Guard troops from other states to be mobilized. This is a call for the same people who invaded the Capitol to assemble in Texas and dare federal forces to try and move them.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

commander and chief

Bone apple tea.

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 69 points 9 months ago

Trump just wants a distraction from the $83 million in damages announced today.

[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Pathetic, to abuse national guardsmen like this. Its a big disruption to their family and their employers to send them on an idiotic,grandstanding boondoggle like this.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

+1 for boondoggle

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago
[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (4 children)

He’s not even in charge of his own asshole.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so now he is literally rallying troops, we still gonna just sit around?

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah... No one has gotten in any trouble by following Trump. Be obedient folks.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago (16 children)

Do they realize President Biden can nationalize the national guard at the border and tell them to go home if he so chooses?

[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Any guardsmen that would actually go to TX and support TX would be unlikely to follow the stand down order. I’m kind of curious how many would just follow orders going both directions.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

It's probably not as clear-cut as your making it out to be. These would be actually armed forces personnel, subject to all of the rules, regulations, chain of command, disciplinary consequences, etc. that come with that.

Yes, they could possibly make an argument that they have a duty to disobey illegal orders, but not a totally clear-cut, black-and-white one, they'd likely still be looking at arrest, courts-martial, etc. if they straight-up refuse to deploy to Texas. They're people with lives, family, regular jobs, etc. that would very likely have to get put on hold while everything gets sorted out and they may not necessarily come out on top. Depending on the exact context, it's probably going to be hard to make an argument that simply going to Texas would be an illegal order.

So if it happens, you can probably expect damn-near every guardsman from those states to go to Texas if they're ordered to.

What they're ordered to do once they're there is probably where they'd have a stronger case, but even still they'd have to carefully thread that needle if they want to avoid prison, dishonorable discharge, etc. There's a lot they could be ordered to do that would be very objectionable but not quite meet the legal bar of being an illegal order that they'd be obligated to disobey.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

He's doing it again...?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, maybe we could ask Bush to call upon all willing states to tell their national guard to take up finger painting. Or maybe Bill Clinton could ask all willing states to give trump a wedgie.

But that won’t happen, not because it’s silly, but because ex-presidents have no fucking authority to tell the states to do a damn thing.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Very diplomatic and cool headed. He unites everyone with such poised insight that no one is able to see without his knowledge.

/s

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

William Tecumseh Sherman, General Sherman to the courtesy phone..

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

AKA he calls for insurrection?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Bring it. These morons in mismatched and non-fitting tactical gear totally have a chance against some dude flying a drone from under a mountain in Colorado. Herman Cain or Darwin award, I don't care which.

ETA: I goofed and somehow missed the term "national guard". Don't comment when in meetings.

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The national guard are actual military members not the gravy seals.

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[–] FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, but you're not president anymore loser.

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