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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A: thank God for debian

2: about service contracts, they burned a ton of good will when they killed centos like 5 times, if we see a solid 3rd party take up a supported debian release (not Ubuntu, a solid one) then we could have a ballgame.

I'm just glad redhat is shooting themselves in the dick, we need less proprietary dependencies, not more.

[–] vacuumflower@vlemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

RH is the maintainer\developer of great many things. Of course it'd be nice for them to have good competition (like what Canonical was), so that they wouldn't use that power for evil.

Still them becoming weaker is not a case for optimism.

I'd really like something like Gentoo with official binary packages (and relevant tree), so that building from source would be an option and installing a binary package the usual way. Well, also simpler installation maybe.

I mean, Calculate Linux does that, but I think it's a Russian small-business oriented distribution, so not exactly my use case.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think many of their maintained projects are absolutely garbage and are destroying Linux.

Case in point: systemd.

Hate docker too, not the concept, the horrible implementation, maybe ditto for systemd, I could have lived with it if it didn't look like it was written by msft. For docker we needed something like it, just the way it was hacked in is horrifying, it makes my blood curdle.

Rh is, imho, responsible for most of the worst parts of Linux, even though I will admit they do satisfy a critical need.

I want to see them die and be replaced by a better software firm.

[–] vacuumflower@vlemmy.net 2 points 1 year ago

You mean that RH hates ergonomics? Agreed here.

About the function of systemd (or docker, or pulseaudio, or gnome 3, or wayland) - well, I don't need it, but I understand the usual arguments of its proponents. It does solve problems other init systems don't. Only it's such a PITA to use that I'm a Void Linux user.

Especially sad considering that this was entirely different in the Gnome 2 times.

[–] trachemys@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You’re right, except I don’t see businesses moving from RHEL to Debian. Businesses are trying to buy support contracts, which Debian doesn’t have. But RedHat is trying to get vendor lock-in so businesses can’t switch to another RHEL compatible platform, even if support is offered. And for sure, RedHat “support” will be pushing solutions that only work on RHEL, not generic Linux.

He's talking about smallish companies which ran centos/alma/rocky.

[–] Nayviler@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Perhaps this is SUSE's time to shine 😄? I believe SUSE Enterprise Linux has a product that allows for binary compatibility with RHEL and CentOS on SLE.

[–] unixgeek@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

I know SUSE Enterprise Linux is popular in the EU, but I've quite frankly had enough of corporate sponsored distributions. A few bad quarters and things could get interesting for the community oriented distributions.

I've moved back to Debian (with Flatpak) and will use the testing kernel for hardware reasons as soon as I remember where I put my notes on it or get tired and look it up.

[–] trachemys@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago

Everyone will likely have harder time maintaining compatibility without access to RHEL source. Giving customers access to the source under NDA is only slightly better than closed source. Hell, even Microsoft allows some customers to view the source.