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Big Galaxy S24 leak reveals Samsung's strategy against Google's Pixel phone (www.androidcentral.com)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world to c/android@lemmy.world

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Quoting the tl;dr in the linked article:

Samsung could be stepping up its game by offering seven years of major Android updates for the Galaxy S24 series, and the generous update policy might extend to other Galaxy flagships.

The Galaxy S24 series might also introduce charges for AI features like Live Translate and Pixel-like photo editing tools after 2025.

There's speculation that users may need to sign in to their Samsung accounts for certain AI functionalities.

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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 55 points 9 months ago (5 children)

That is not the only big thing of pixels. To me it's the openness. These are, ironically, the best and easiest phones to leave google. Or at least root them without the evergrowing hassles of each iteration of samcraps.

Noone would ever buy a PC if they wouldn't get admin-access and mustn't install Linux or whatever. With phones they managed to keep us out.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i always found it funny that the best method of having a privacy focused phone (without having significant tradeoffs like the pinephone) is to buy the phone from the company who violates privacy the worst, and flashing over it.

[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

True. This is why the general recommendation is typically to buy used. That way, they don't get additional revenue from the sale of a new phone, and it also decreases e-waste.

(Sure, the revenue may be a drop in the bucket, but it's still something.)

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[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Noone would ever buy a PC if they wouldn't get admin-access and mustn't install Linux or whatever. With phones they managed to keep us out.

Realistically this only forms a tiny part of the population though, that's pretty much the only reason why they've been able to keep people out.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

If only a tiny part of people care at all, why even make it sooooo complicated and change every damn update? Let people that WANT control, have control. The others don't care anyway and are scared enough by a "are you REALLY REALLY REALLY sure you know what you're doing here?"-security-question.

I don't pay 1000,- for a phone that isn't mine, and I hate that this has become the default.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

On the one hand, I could see bad actors taking advantage of easily rooted/unlocked systems. Maleficent resellers could also take advantage.

Definitely give me the warnings and let me know what could happen, but let me unlock it and own it completely.

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[–] Osiris@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Samsung could easily win me over if their bootloader was unlock able.
Edit: Apparently it's just US variants that can't be unlocked

[–] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well, bootloader unlock toggle in developer options and fastboot eom unlock are available, am I missing something?

[–] Byter@lemmy.one 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Not in the US.

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[–] jzentgg@mastodon.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@Gallardo994 @Osiris you can’t if you have Samsung with Snapdragon

[–] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

I have Snapdragon variant of S23U (UAE version) and the bootloader is unlockable, are you sure it's snapdragon specific and not just US-specific, or carrier-specific?

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

wdym, you just go to dev options and allow it, then reboot and do fastboot unlock.
press power button a couple of times (THIS WILL TRIP KNOX E-FUSE PERMANENTLY WITHOUT ANY WAY TO RECOVER), wait for data to be erased and boom it's unlocked

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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 34 points 9 months ago

To talk about the article instead of ranting on about niche wants:

7 years of updates would be really good. Given how mature the hardware is nowadays, I can see a phone doing 7 years, save for the battery. Will Samsung be able to keep batteries in production?
I'm less sold on the AI things, I guess that's the buzzword now. AI AI AI everywhere. Also the two features mentioned are already in Google products, and I'd rather use those if I have to, unless Samsung pulls out a surprise and show that they are better at software development than Google is.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Things I want in a phone:

Decent camera
Aux Port - because I want the option
at least one mappable button
Expandable SD card slot
Debloated OS
good speaker phone
water resistant and drop resistant

My favorite phone in the last 10 years was the Samsung S8 Active, before that, the HTC One (front facing speakers). Before that, probably the Samsung FlipShot and LG Chocolate.

I miss innovation in phone designs. They're all the same phone now.

Anyone have any recommendations for the US? I was thinking a fairphone but I think that's UK only.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

After a couple of Redmi Note phones, I'm currently looking at Motorola. I need to see how ROM development is on their phones.

[–] gunpachi@lemmings.world 3 points 9 months ago

Motorola has been making a lot of midrange devices lately with Mediatek chipsets and I owned one for 2 years. My particular device (edge 20 fuaion) sold pretty well but there was no ROM development at all.

So pick one with a Qualcomm chip and you will probably have a good time. I Think the recent Moto Edge 40 pro got some Custom rom development lately.

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Is it repairability? Do I get root access to my own personal property? Maybe a headphone jack? How about IR blaster so my missing Roku remote doesn't matter? Can we go so far as a replaceable battery?

Ok I got you. You don't need to add anything you previously took away. Just give me a public apology for trying to make the phone repair industry die as collateral damage in your vendetta against Apple's other screen supplier.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

unless that comes with either a 600-700$ decrease in price or the readdition of a microSD card slot I'm not interested.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 9 months ago (10 children)

After phone storage got beyond 32GB, I thought I won't need a microSD slot anymore. I was wrong and my 128GB are full again. Downloading shows and music in high quality needs quite a bit of storage, not to mention videos. As if to make matters worse, the OS takes up more storage than my first two phones had at all.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

I never understood why anybody wouldn't need SD access... There's no way to have a reliable backup location in the event you can't reach the internet for whatever reason.

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[–] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Miss me with that AI bullshit, just make the screen completely flat on S24U and I'll be more than happy.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Please. Who is interested in the curve anymore? I know they just do it for the people in the store.

[–] Dangy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I like the edge curve on my S9+ and Note 20U. Makes the bezels feel smaller and makes for a smoother swipe finger-feel.

But if I could trade that for removable battery/storage/repairability I would.

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Full disclosure: I didn't read the article and only read the bulletin points. However, that last point really convinced me leave Scamsung. When I got my current S21 Ultra, I was bummed to find out that I couldn't root it. I'm about to buy a Pixel 7 Pro and never look back.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I can root my s23 ultra (from what I've read at least), however I choose not to because it would permanently break Knox and there would be no way of undoing that outside of replacing the logic board.

With that said, my next phone will probably be a Fairphone.

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Will they be bringing SD support back? I don't get how people can use phones without SD support...

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Which is funny because I don't get why people want it. Unless you're shooting a whole bunch of 4K video, i have no idea why it's needed.

[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Here are a few examples of why someone would want it:

Not everyone lives in areas with great wireless connections.

Some are also limited to how much data they can use. So most store their music/movies/pictures on the local SD drive because they don't use cloud storage.

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I'll be leaving the Samsung ecosystem after 10 years. They simply don't offer a phone for me anymore. I WANT an SD card, and waterproofing. And the A line camera is too shite.

I'll probably get some Chinese phone next and give them a shot. Samsung can get fucked with the 1000$ phones that continuously remove features.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Which Chinese phone does that? They were the first to copy Apple when they removed all that. The only ones that still have card slots and headphone jacks are all the low-end phones, and heck, even those are going away. Xiaomi has been removing the card slots on the higher-end Redmi Notes.

[–] kahjtheundedicated@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I think Sony and Asus still have phones with that stuff and a headphone jack

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[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

7 years of updates is the tour of competition I like to see

Nickle and diming “AI” features isn’t.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I'm pretty happy about that, I don't want AI features and not paying for them seems to guarantee they won't be involved with the phone.

I hate all the AI upscaling they do, those moon shots suck.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So, when is the camera tech finally going to be good enough to make the camera flush with the phone body?

[–] Chriswild@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It is now. Just make the phone thicker instead of having a bump.

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[–] gunpachi@lemmings.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hope someone releases a build of LineageOS or any AOSP based custom ROM for the s23 series.

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