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[–] GreenAppleTree@lemmy.world 211 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Most importantly, they're searchable on the internet.

[–] Black616Angel@feddit.de 125 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Discord isn't even really searchable on discord. It was never meant for this kind of stuff and it shows.

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[–] mathematicalMagpie@lemm.ee 109 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If you thought Reddit or Lemmy mods were bad, wait until you deal with a forum admin on a power trip.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 96 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're the same people. If someone is on a power trip, it suck regardless.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Yeah plus mods do all the shit the rest of us don’t want to do

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[–] TAG@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I always find it weird when people complain about getting banned by "power tripping mods". I have only had a few encounters with a moderator who I thought was being overly obsessive about arbitrary rules. Most of my time, I did not care to resubmit contents to a group who did not want to see it anyways. The few times that I did, I carefully tried to address the moderators objections and my repost was allowed.

Sure, there are definitely some idiots who are obsessed with their perfect view of what should be said on a forum, but most of the time that I have seen, it is a user who cannot act right and doubles down on their stupid when they get called out on it.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 104 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Linear forums sucked. Reddit provided the sane solution: nested comments and vote-based sorting.

Last month someone linked to Something Awful, for a thread about the site's greatest stories. Cramping my scroll-wheel finger and wearing out my patience, forty tall-ass posts at a time, each of them festooned with signatures and animated GIFs and a mile of whitespace - I cannot tell you instantly exhausting it was to see the thread had four hundred pages. Seeing any one question answered required scrolling through ten of them. X mentions a thing, Y asks about it a page and a half later, and Z jokes about it three pages on, and then fffinally someone tells Y what's going on.

This is interest poison. This is a format that actively targets engagement and destroys it. Did you miss a day or two? Kiss it goodbye, because you're never going to catch up and still give a shit.

[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 25 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Problem with reddit is that everyone thinks they're a comedian and people just upvote the same repeated jokes over and over. You still have to wade though tons of garbage to find the good stuff, and thats after filtering tons of shit with RES. Reddit was great at one point but it got exhausting.

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[–] Aasikki@sopuli.xyz 11 points 9 months ago

Never really put my finger on why, but that must be the reason I've never been active on any forums, just lurking, but I've always been very much active on Reddit and now lemmy. Combine that with the need to register an account to all the different forums and the fact that you can't catch up to all of them from a single front page.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Those who do not understand Usenet are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I sign on to Usenet occasionally just to feel like I'm part of some global secret society.

[–] bramblepatchmystery 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You don't get that from being here?

My wife and family thinks all of you are spies or drug runners.

[–] MethodicalSpark@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Lemmy is basically the dark web to your average instagram user.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

I've checked out a couple old newsgroups that I know of, but not much was going on. One of them was a little active and I peruse it every now and again, one was just some troll and a bunch of spam. Any good tips resources on finding newsgroups that are activeish?

[–] dlpkl@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Uh. Ever try to follow along in a forum when people start quoting each other and then having side conversations? The old forum layout sucks, Lemmy and Reddit with their parent-child thread-based systems are infinitely better.

[–] rabiddolphin@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Depends on the forum software, there are some that have proper threading

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[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Posts a problem on a thread

PLEASE SEARCH BEFORE YOU ASK A QUESTION. THREAD HAS BEEN CLOSED, HERES A LINK TO THE RULES

searches with incorrect wording or phrasing and tries again

PLEASE WAIT 30 SECONDS BEFORE SEARCHING AGAIN

Finds tangentially related thread but not quite your problem and posts to it to see if anyone has had similar issues

BANNED FOR NECROING

extra points if you do it through facepunch

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

BANNED FOR NECROING

I never understood why forum admins hated this so much. If I have an update to an old issue, why shouldn't I post it in the same place? Why create a whole new thread?

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[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Forums never went anywhere. It's just that the techno hipsters found something new.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Forums never went anywhere

sadly it appears that they all but have. so many projects out there decide that Discord should be the only way to discuss development, report bugs, or offer tech support.

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 36 points 9 months ago

Forums didnt, but users did

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[–] madelena@lemmy.ml 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So that's the reason why in the Star Trek future there's a whole chunk of 21st Century history missing. Not because of a global war, but because everyone was posting on Slack, Discord, and gated social networks.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 44 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Discord for a group of your friends? Fantastic. Discord for a game/company/organization? Miserable.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago

i never understood why anyone would want to use discord for anything else than friends or small communities

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Waiting on federated forums to become a thing. I guess one could host a simple phpBB forum and let users create sub forums or categories for their own use?

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 70 points 9 months ago (2 children)

oooooh we could call it Lenny

[–] Esqplorer@lemmy.zip 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago

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[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago
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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Seriously, Discord is so chaotic I can't even use it.

[–] JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't really see a lot of overlap between these technologies. To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.
Discord is a place for keeping up with friends, finding a group for a game, or discussing something current with people that share an interest (e.g. discussing the latest episode of X show). Slack is for keeping up with current things and chatting with team members at work, and following alerts for an application that you're supporting (because that's way better than email alerts). I recognize that there are people that use these technologies differently, but they each have their own niche that I wouldn't want to use the others for. Forums are not a great tool for instant communication or relatively "chaotic" discussion (it's a lot harder to follow the splitting chains of thought compared to breaking side conversations into threads that are still easy to follow along in a channel), and nobody wants to constantly refresh to keep up with the conversation.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.

I absolutely agree with you. The problem is, increasingly others are not agreeing with us. Soooo many projects that fall into this category have 100% of all information(even documentation!) related to the project ONLY available on Discord.

[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 21 points 9 months ago

I'm not saying that discord servers for support are a good solution -- I think the problems with archiving and search alone should disqualify it as a support platform.

But forums have their own problems. I think it's weird that forum advocates don't seem to consider why it started to fade as a medium. Individual accounts for each forum, the need for active moderation of threads for relevancy, and practices that made for negative user experiences like rules against necroing are all valid reasons (among others) for why people moved away from forums. And I can't think of a great way to prevent the "I need help!!" thread titles besides having moderators or approvals.

Knowledge management is hard, there's a reason why library science is a master's level degree lol

[–] jezebelley@leminal.space 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Remember Tapatalk for Android? It was an Android killer app a decade ago. I miss forums.

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[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Jokes on you, i never left forums.

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[–] ARk@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You cannot possibly expect people to sit there after they type their shit frothing in the mouth waiting for any reply or stimulation because you deprived them of the ability to send their floaty emojis and see numbers move around. Imagine that.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Notifications, up/down votes, and emojis exists even on forums. You're using one that supports them right now

[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I don't know how people can stand large chatrooms

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago

The thread games you could play in forums were better than anything reddit clones and irc clones could muster.

[–] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

wikis for knowledge, IM for socialization. forums for serious discussion? thank god i don’t have to manage this stuff i have no idea what i’m saying

[–] pbsds@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I like how Discourse is becoming more and more popular for FOSS communities, but would love if it supported federation

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