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To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you're seeing the worst of the worst takes.
A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It's really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can't think beyond "this isn't convenient for me today."
Pirates by ethics = root of socialism, anarchism?
Pirates by convenience = root of capitalism and imperialism?
For me, at least, there are companies worth pirating stuff from. I don't pretend to be ethical in any way, although I do avoid pirating from indie devs. It's been a long while since I pirated anything, tbh. I just like the community here and it's nice to keep up with the news.
Well I certainly don't give a fuck about ethics so I just pirate cuz I want. And on that note I also use reddit sometimes because why not. I'm not here ideologically, just cuz it's a nice place to be in. I like it here. I use lemmy more than Reddit nowadays. Reddit is a source of information and sometimes memes. Lemmy for the good place to be in.
People are dumb bud.. there is, just a lot of plain dumb people out there.
Why? Idk bud, people are dumb just that no more questions about it. People are dumb.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
What do you expect? All sensible people are probably already left the sub at this point, as evidenced by all those comments in the post you linked.
Mass scale brain drain that's only going to get worse
I feel like they don't understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez's decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.
My favourite are the comments of people saying "return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn't doing anything! I don't even use Apollo so I don't care" - posted from Boost for Reddit.
A lot of people don't even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can't wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.
People's resistance to change is quite strong, even if they have good reason to leave and lemmy/fediverse are great alternatives the fact is that in terms of UX lemmy can be quite different and takes some time to find and rebuild a list of communities to join, specially since you can have the same community on different servers (i.e. technology on beehaw vs technology on lemmy.world) and just this fact means a learning curve for people that for the most part don't like change.
This is actually something I think might be concerning in the long run. Reddit's current direction has driven away a contingent of users who tend to share similar moral values; Lemmy's userbase tends pretty left with a lot of content here being anti-capitalist and pro-marginalized groups. It makes sense that decentralized federated networks would be attractive to those subsets of users.
What I'm afraid of is that this will create a vacuum in which Reddit becomes even more of a breeding grounds for right-wing rhetoric and propaganda without the presence of these users to balance it out a bit. I know that as a Reddit-addicted teen, I hovered dangerously close to some pretty disgusting ideologies. Thankfully I discovered some leftist communities which expanded my narrow worldview and veered me to a much happier path. I don't think reddit as a platform will die, but I fear those communities might, and I shudder to think at what reddit could become without them.
So basically Twitter v2
There are always two things in combative balance when dealing with liberatory politics. They are the benefits of sticking around and having conversations about liberatory politics, and the costs of sticking around when there's little to no productive discussion going on. Reddit, I do not believe, is currently in a place where anyone but the most anti-capitalist or anti-moderation advocates will believe that continued participation on the platform will remain beneficial. For me, I'm in the former super anti-capitalist group, and I no longer wish to provide monetary value to a platform that's being run in a non-inclusive manner. I, however, am self-aware enough to realize I might be bailing from communities that could still benefit from discussion early, so I won't hold it against anyone who still wants to stay there and keep fighting. Worth noting, the anti-capitalist and the anti-moderation free speech absolutist are not necessarily friends, and in fact probably aren't.
Anyway. The second position. The position where things are too far gone that the most beneficial thing to do is to leave and to advocate for leaving, and to advocate for external intervention. This is where I view Twitter as being. The benefit of staying on Twitter to keep it from becoming an alt-right echo chamber has evaporated, and the platform can no longer be saved from the abusive and exploitative owner and ownership group. By staying on Twitter, you are no longer helping guide conversations in a positive direction, you are only giving people a hook to keep them on a harmful platform.
It's hard, possibly impossible, to recognize where on the sliding scale of beneficial to stay and beneficial to leave any community is on. I don't have a good sign-off for this. I guess all I have to say in conclusion is that it's hard.
It’s instetesting for the subject of Piracy in particular. Participating in obtaining digital goods has most often been a "take it or leave it" standard. You’ve always had to “go where the action is” if not desperately trying to get invited ( Demonoid era).
They will come to their senses when they need there warez as they always do.
It's like BitTorrent. There's seeders and then there's leechers who just want their free stuff and stop sharing immediately afterwards.
Some have more principle than others.
I think you mean there are Lemmy users (qbittorrent) and Reddit users (utorrent).
Can't convince them what they're using is bad and that there are better alternatives.
/r/Piracy
That's not the real games piracy sub anyways. The true successor of the scene-watching community is and always was /r/CrackWatch and even there people are very aware that they're not contributors, just spectators. So basically, it was a place for movies piracy, and movies piracy is and always been the most piss easy, top result on google piracy around. I haven't gone on a single website to pirate movies in a decade, shit is all searchable either directly on qBit and deluge or on tracker tools.
They don't want to come over, so what? They're irrelevant. A wiki service reddit, barely anything else. A place for people who unironically install uTorrent and don't even know what the u stands for.
It's so hard to join lemmy now, and everything lags in lemmy even just an upvote...
Can’t even open that link on phone without app. Real Pirates wish to be free.
I imagine most people are like me and have an old account and communities they like.
It's similar to why people don't e.g. flee states like Florida.
It's kinda dumb, but I get the feeling. They should just realize they can use both sites
Just let 'em. Splitting a community isn't nice but i don't see another solution here. Maybe this is kind of a diet for us and slimming will be a chance for us.
Honestly a lot of people who casually use reddit, probably don't know and aren't deep enough into the reddit world to care much
Yes, a combination of the Principle of Least Effort and the Pareto Principle probably. 80% of people don't know, and of the 20% that do, 80% find it too much trouble to do anything about it.
Sink their bones to Davey Jones! The best of us have migrated to Lemmy
Come on guys don't let that discourage you from commenting about it; that's exactly what admins and spez want (hell some of those are probably spez's alts lmao).
Minecraft even pulled out of reddit today; other companies might follow. Users just need to keep up the pressure in reddit discussions.
You can copy/paste this premade summary I made pretty much anywhere.
The Minecraft subreddit isn't closing, Mojang staff just won't be posting there anymore.
I have only just joined over here on Lemmy, so let me try to explain what took me so long. Reddit, even though a shit hole, is easier to use and has ingrained itself with google for even easier use. Lemmy is a nightmare to try and find boards ya interested in for common people, as each .com is it's own sign up and own set of boards, it's not you go to one site, sign up and find what ya want, you need to know each little lemmy.insertnamehere to find a certain ammount of boards.
This is just my experience and everyone could be different, basically put, laziness and simplicity i think are the two main reasons.
EDIT: not to mention that just took about 5mins to post..... wtf is up with this site?
I think most of the people who want to move already moved, these are the leftovers
I don't see that subreddit lasting long after this tbh. If this all to make the product (reddit's communities) look good to buyers, then I can see it being nuked.
Habit spawns laziness and stupidity as well as a false sense of loyalty.
They're just there for the easy upvotes for posting their memes about the mods ruining that sub, then getting mad when the posts get removed.
The history button for Moderator Toolbox there is showing a ton of regular r/teenagers posters who barely use the sub. My guess is they saw comments getting upvoted for being righteously indignant about the John Oliver posts and decided to "meme" their displeasure in the way teenagers usually do.
I have known about lemmy for a long time. Im happy its starting to have a population. Only reason I am sad to leave reddit is I have used it to save answers to my questions and save guides etc. Its more an archive for me
Yeah moving to a federation alternative seems like it would be extremely welcomed in that type of community. They would have a lot more freedom in posting whatever content they wanted without being bothered by the reddit admins.
Pirates are notoriously good at finding the content they are looking for, so a "hidden" community on Lemmy would still thrive.
I tried to explain to one of these people Lemmy for piracy alone is easy, it's apparently more complicated to use, setup, or understamd than his current pirating methods or any methods he's ever done.
If it requires more than 4 button clicks and 10 minutes, you lose the lazy, disinterested, and unmotivated people.
Most people here are going to be pirates who were burned CDs and jacked channels or people who were raised by people burned CDs and learned about pirate bay before geometry (hi), im sure this community will cause many to pick up pirating, unfortunately, I think the loss is due to people who havent truly explored the internet/computers and checked out what piracy is.
Wait until reddit kills the piracy forums outright, they are going for an IPO, they will either clean house right before, or shortly after going public, pirates that want simple info will pay Netflix/Hulu, the ones who get more motivated will remember or find Lemmy.
@demonicbullet @MigratingtoLemmy personally I’m hoping this happens. I want Reddit, and more so the ceo, to burn. He killed off Apollo on purpose and then just straight up lied about it basically told all the users fuck off as well. It fucking sucks. In no way is this okay.
Ease of use and size of user base
my theory is that most users don't know or care about the api changes or the deaths of the third party apps. and most of the ones who do know dont care.
id also guess that a lot of people are hesitant to join the fediverse due to a choice paralysis, kinda similar to Linux distros. altho joining an instance is not actually all that complicated most people just dont want to have to bother making the choice of which one to join, and others cant be bothered to learn how instances work. ppl think it's complicated because it's different and new to them and ppl generally don't like change 🤷♀️
Probably bootlickers
I switched. Still getting a handle on the ferdiverse. The developer for Sync said he was creating a Lemmy app. I use Jerboa currently.
I never found /r/Piracy to be useful for anything other than making memes about piracy. There's very little actual information on how to pirate.
After one day in on Kbin, I found this handy little breakdown, which provided me with more resources than I'd ever seen listed on Reddit during my entire time there.
This is a prime example of the slow heat death of Reddit - now that they've forced people to start looking at other alternatives to their communities, they're beginning to realize how restricted and frivolous most of Reddit has become, and what a poor information resource it actually is. When information is presented and moderated as entertainment, it's quality invariably suffers. While it may be a bit to early to tell, it feels like Reddit's failures are instigating an internet Renaissance in the federated space, which has the openness and freedom to allow that kind of a movement to grow.
On Reddit, like my link above, it would be removed for violating the TOS.
Well if you never found useful information on /r/Piracy than thats on you because the link you shared is literaly a copy of the Wiki/Megathread from /r/Piracy.
I just took a look at one of the most popular recent "mutiny posts" and wow, it really has gone to shit. I get that some people might not care about the API mess, but they actively hate the mods there. Half the comments are just unhinged and are still upvoted.
There was even an unabashed antivaxer comment from some guy drawing some sort of insane comparisons between mrna and r/Piracy mods and even that was upvoted lol
I don't know if the numbers back this up but I hope that the reason for this is just that the reasonable people moved to Lemmy and it's just the crazies left there...
They probably don't want to learn, so they won't try to learn how to use Lemmy or Kbin.