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I posted this question because I once saw a tweet that said something like:

"If you use adblock, you don't care about creator's point blank"

What is your opinion on this? Do you agree with them?

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[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ads annoy me to no end so yes. I use NextDNS on all of my devices + uBo in my browsers

I just whitelist ads/domains which follow EFF DNT standard (Automatically via AdNauseaum but should be working with any Adblock Plus/uBlock Origin standard adblockers https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/FAQ#how-and-why-does-adnauseam-make-exceptions-for-non-tracking-ads). https://www.eff.org/files/effdntlist.txt As you can see, this whitelist isn't that long, hence I do block most of the ads with my ad blocker. Outside individual exceptions, that's the only whitelist I have. Other than that, It's no pity. Doing so, I don't think I really ruin other individual's revenue, which are still done via ads online. Nowadays, it's more of sponsored content or affiliation links it seems, as advertisers adapt to the popularity of adblocker users instead of trying to fight them by being more and more aggressive with them (Which has been found to just reduce actual potential website users if it's too aggressive with pop-ups and all).

[–] jsveiga@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've never used them.

If I like an app or site, but the ads are annoying me, I do one of these:

  • If there's an option to pay the creator/aggregator to eliminate the ads, and the cost/benefit is worth it, I'll pay.

  • If there is no option to pay, but the app/content is worth the ads annoyance, I'll keep using the app/site and watch/skip/ignore the ads.

  • If there is no option to pay, or there is, but the price is higher than what I perceive as the app/content value, I'll stop using the app/site.

For example, I paid for Baconreader Premium, but I watch YouTube ads, and I removed several sites from my google home page feed because they had more ads than content.

I'm also stop using Reddit, as I don't think it's worth enduring their obnoxious native app.

And no, I don't use pirated software, nor watch or listen to pirated movies or music. If something is priced above what I consider it's worth, I just don't use it.

Yes, Baconreader Premium could be consider as a "reddit ad blocker", but it operated within Reddit's approval. Now Reddit changed their rules, and it's their rules.

[–] kilmister@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If something is priced above what I consider it's worth, I just don't use it.

Tell that to every student who has to pay unreasonable amounts every semester for textbooks...

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[–] Skooshjones@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always use adblock on every device I browse with, no exceptions. I honestly wouldn't use the internet without it in any significant way. When other people try to show me videos on their phones and double ads play in front or in the middle, I get so irritated I wanna scream. I have no idea how people use the internet without ad block, it's just so over the top now days.

And no, I piss on the idea that by using ad blockers you are "stealing" from the creators. That's absolute garbage imo. I never signed a contract with them to watch X minutes of ads in order to consume their content. Plus, most creators now just embed ads in their videos anyways, so ad blockers don't do anything for those, I just skip over them in my browser.

If you wanna support a creator, donate to them, buy their merch, link to their content from yours and give them free advertising/publicity. The idea that I "owe" a content creator some fraction of a cent of ad revenue by letting some random clip about ball hair trimmers or protein bars play for 15-30 seconds is laughable. If they are really opposed to their content being consumed for free online, then lock it all behind pay walls or don't release it online at all.

I know that's a hard-line position in some people's minds, but it's what I truly believe. Also, the creators that I consume a ton of content from, I've donated or purchased 100's-1000's of times more than what they would ever make off me watching all of the YT ads that play before/during their vids.

[–] Perhyte@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plus, most creators now just embed ads in their videos anyways, so ad blockers don’t do anything for those, I just skip over them in my browser.

If you're skipping those manually, may I introduce you to the magic of SponsorBlock?

Essentially, it's an ad blocker for sponsor segments^1^ in YouTube videos: it automates "let's skip this part". It's not perfect because the segments to skip are crowd-sourced, but for videos that are fairly popular and not very recently uploaded it does a pretty good job.

^1^: And other potentially undesirable parts, like non-music segments in music videos. You can configure the types of segments you want it to skip.

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[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use them. And I won't pretend that I do it for moral reasons - it's because I do not want to see ads or waste my bandwidth with ads, period.

And I don't usually whitelist content creators because I know that most money won't get in their pockets, it'll go for Google or Meta or whatever. In a few cases however I might buy some stuff from the creator (if I got the money...), specially if it's a book or similar.

[–] l3mming@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It is the one universal truth. Viewers do not want ads.

Why then should I care about a content creator who doesn't care about their viewers?

If you have built your business model on giving people what they don't want, AND have the audacity to insist that people make it easier for you to give them what they don't want, then you can fuck right off.

No. I do not care about creators who rely on ads. You'll take my Ublock Origin from my cold, dead hands.

[–] MrJMeadows@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Ads have become so invasive that most sites are simply unusable without ad blocking. If I care about the creator, I usually pay the creator in some way.

[–] LimitedWard@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I like being able to surf the internet without having 90% of my screen plastered with ads as I scroll. Also fuck those ads that load 10 seconds after the article causing you to click them when you go to click on a link.

[–] tiny@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Partially ibecause I hate ads. part of it is personal security along with ads AdguardHome server blocks malware and porn for the kids. There's a ton malware that gets delivered through ads

[–] snaf@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

I use Privacy Badger to block trackers, and uBlock to manually block especially annoying ads. Everything else is allowed. So if an ad isn't obnoxious and doesn't track, it gets through. It's not perfect but I figure that's a reasonable compromise.

[–] ppp@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I use adblock.

If you use adblock, you don't care about creator's point blank

Depending on what kind of content they serve, they usually still make a lot of money.

[–] BustaMyke@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

uBlock origin on my PC, AdGuard on my Google Pixel

I do want people to make their money but not to the point I get malware from a single click.

[–] Owell1984@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I remember the dark old days when I did not use adblock and then Brave came along and introduced me to the idea and everything was so simple, so much better. I block cookies and scripts on news sites and everything has been far better than what it was a few years ago.

I use Firefox + Ublock now and it has blocked a few million ads for me!

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

By default I have AdBlock (uBlock origin) on, but I generally turn it off for YouTube and Twitch to support content creators (except when the creator is unmonetized, then I leave it on).

And I also turn it off for a some websites that are free of corporate BS and have interesting content. Funny enough, most of these websites happen to not have any ads or trackers in the first place.

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[–] httpjames@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I use it because the advertising industry is trying to gobble up as much personal info about you. Ad banners are more than just displays for ads, they’re embedded trackers surveilling your browsing activity. I’d be happy to see some ads if they were truly privacy preserving.

For now, I just donate to my favourite creators or use subscriptions like YouTube Premium to pay creators for the content I consume.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I use an tracker blocker, because the way advertising is done today by google and similar is immoral, and its shocking that it is not illegal.

The way ads are put on duckduckgo, based on your search terms, or the way companies sponsor creators is great, that's the way advertising should be, and Iwant to support that.

But if you are going to be a creepy company (Google, Meta, ...) who wants to unconsensually track and profile me when my browser explicitly includes do not track requests, in order to manipulate my beliefs of purchasing habitats. As somebody who is aware of the problem, not using a tracker blocker like privacy badger would be wrong and immortal, because by allowing them to make money though abusing me, i would be supporting and aiding them in the evil they engage in.

Use a tracker blocker, don't help google be evil, and don't support anyone who demonizes you for refusing to support modern evil for their personal gain.

[–] hlqxz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Man I don't even know how people use the internet without an adblocker. It's literally impossible to focus on the content with all the pop ups and banner ads it's such a bad experience.

[–] LambentMote@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the pcgamer website without adblock!

I discovered this this morning as I was trying out a Lemmy app (thunder) instead of my ad blocked Firefox and followed an article link.

In less than 600 words there were:

  • 3 full page ads to dismiss
  • an auto playing video taking up 1/4 of the screen that follows as you scroll
  • a sticky animated footer banner
  • and a half page animated ad between each paragraph.

Fuck that. Fuck any organizational that does that to it's product or has that level of contempt for it's users.

I support content creators but ad block is necessary for safety, privacy, and the overall usability of the Internet.

I do, I hate fucking ads.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Advertising is a form of hostile content. Advertisers mean us harm. They might have some tenuous moral right to try to expose me to their manipulation, but I am not obliged to co-operate and my moral right to protect myself is much stronger. This is implicit in every form of advertising. You are not doing anything immoral by buying a magazine and then not reading any of the ads it contains.

Arguments against ad blockers require that there are not alternate ways of exploiting content production, or any reasons to produce content other than financial gain.

[–] MucherBucher@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I see how some friends and relatives browse the web. From googling a recipe to watching hours of youtube videos. Shockingly, they spend like 10% of the time staring at advertisments, waiting for them to pass by. Sometimes, when they are close friends, I "confront" them about it and 90% of the time their answer is "I didn't even know you can block them". Not once have I heard "I do it to generate money the creators and or websites".

My girlfriend used to show me youtube videos on her phone and she used a "trick" where you report the unskippable ads or whatver and then you get through them quicker. Having to wait for HER ads to pass started to annoy me so much that I upgraded my YouTube subscription to family. Now her and her siblings get to enjoy ad-free YouTube content.

[–] Hexarei@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I use uBlock Origin on individual devices and a Pi-Hole on a network level.

My reasoning:

  1. As a web developer, everything I make and publish is either for fun or for profit. The things I create for fun, I don't expect to make money or even be financially sustainable. If I did, they would be things I create for profit. If I create something for fun, I try to either leverage a free hosting service or host it myself, to avoid outrageous costs. If I create something for profit, I tend to use a simple subscription model. If someone wants to use something I've created for profit, they can pay me for it. I would love to throw money at the sites I use on a regular basis to help sustain them. I do so with a YouTube Premium subscription, paid subscriptions to apps that I use, Github sponsorships, and several Patreon memberships.

  2. As someone with both ADHD and autism, I will never require someone to pay me using their attention. Some of us have a limited supply of that, and have to ration it as-is.

  3. I have never once seen an ad on a website, banner or otherwise, and thought "Wow, I should buy that."

  4. They are a waste of my screen space, CPU cycles, network bandwidth, patience, attention, and time.

  5. I don't want to be tracked.

  6. They often reduce performance of the content they are meant to compliment and support, which will make me less likely to stick around. A while back, I encountered some ads on a web game was built using WebGL. Any time ads would load, there was a half-second pause in the game, even on my rather substantially-spec'd PC (Ryzen 9 5950X, 64GB DDR4-3600, GTX 3080).

[–] Bibez@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use ad-blockers because I'm not a masochist. 🀨

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I use AdBlock, PiHole, and several tracking protections because I'm fucking tired of being treated like a product by bigtech. I also have various websites blocked on the DNS level, using only privacy-respecting frontends (youtube, reddit, twitter)

[–] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I use unlock origin because it blocks ads and other annoying web features like cookies and newsletters popins.

[–] KrimsonBun@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I do, and I don't care if creators and companies that are already rich aren't getting 50 cents more.

[–] LeafTheTreesAlone@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I use PiHole on my home network to block ads across all devices. I mostly use it specifically for our smart TV as our Samsung loves to display Big Mac ads and track the hell out of everything. This way I can still stream to it. I have my phone and computer routed through it but my girlfriend doesn’t like how it slows down TikTok. Probably a reason for that 😁

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuck ads. They always fuck me when I try to make money online. If the only way I'm allowed to make money is with "a real job" then they should "get a real job" too. Fuck 'em.

[–] little_water_bear@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow, there are a lot of comments describing how neccessary it must be to use adblock. I don't think I can actually change anyone's mind here, but I'm going to share my perspective anyway:

While I don't agree with the statement quoted in the original post, I do think that ads are neccessary for most websites I visit to function. Not because of the content creators, but because of the companies running the platforms.

I know, ads can be problematic. But to outright block all ads is no solution. Privacy and data protection are very important to me, so I'm against every form of targeted ads. But just generic or maybe contextual ads? I don't see any harm in that. Malware is mentioned often in other comments. I disable JavaScript whenever I can. That's absolutely enough for blocking all ads to not make any real difference in terms of security. Although I have to admit that blocking scripts also blocks some ads.

But still, I see all ads on YouTube and search engines for example. And I'm happy to see them. It's incredible that such platforms, providing so many people with access to so much content from so many other people can actually exist. There are a lot of resources needed for this.

And if I still don't want to see ads simply because I don't want to? Then I don't have to, even without any adblockers. If I don't think a website is worth the ads it thinks it needs to show me, then I don't have to use it. I can just leave. If it is easy to provide the same service without ads then there must be countless alternatives already.

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[–] onTerryO@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I use Pi-hole, which is great since it is network wide. Doesn't do much for youtube, so for that I just download videos using yt-dlp. Downloading the video has the added bonus that you get the highest video quality for 100% of the video.

[–] s049031@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Ublock origin which also blocks YouTube ads and running a pihole for my home network for the rest of the devices.

Of course. Parts of the internet are basically unusable without it, and others are much less safe. Any creator who moans about this is just taking out their frustration about their chosen line of work on you, or guilt tripping you to make a penny. Plus, lots of creators have found ways to run ethical and safe do that don't put the user at risk.

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I use ublock origin: https://ublockorigin.com/

The internet is unusable without a good adblock.

[–] megane_kun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I use adblock (uBlock origin) because the internet is nigh unusable otherwise. It's incredibly risky (even irresponsible) to not have adblock turned on given the danger of malware, or malware in the guise of advertisements. However, I'd whitelist sites that are decent about it--though in practice, I find it risky to temporarily disable my adblock just to test things, much less to whitelist them.

Most of all, there are other, better, ways to support content creators in the internet.

[–] notun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Adblock and Sponsorblock. Also Enhancer for Youtube that hides those pesky YT Shorts.

Why? Fuck ads, that's why.

[–] heliumlake@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I use adblock wherever I can as ads have only become more annoying and intrusive over time. It's incredibly frustrating going to a site and having three banner ads covering 60% of the screen, or seeing an unskippable ad interrupt a YouTube video every 90 seconds. It's wasted time I will never get back, and it feels like theft of my life. I wish I could have adblock everywhere outside of the internet.

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