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[–] Skunk@jlai.lu 79 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.

Yes it was a Max 9, and yes wait for the aviation herald report for details.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We usually start New Year's with good news and promises we won't keep... Not with total failures. This is not good for their reputation.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 23 points 10 months ago

Nothing they've been doing has been good for their reputation for about 5 or 6 years now. That's what happens when people who don't understand the industry start being managers rather than engineers.

[–] anubis119@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] frokie@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Most defects appear either early or late into a products lifecycle

[–] rivermonster@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (18 children)

Capitalism views maintenance as an expense, not revenue-in.

[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This probably has nothing to do with maintenance. The plane was only two months old. Enough for some inspections, but nobody would suspect or look for cracks in the fuselage at that point. So it's probably a manufacturing issue.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Capitalism views quality control as an expense, not revenue-in.

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Anything views quality control as an expense.

Are you even listening to yourself?

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (4 children)

There is a vocal segment of Lemmy that can ONLY frame the world through the lens of class warfare and nothing else. That's why they hijack every topic and thread with the same rhetoric. They have no plan, guidance or recommendations on what to do. They are only here to inform us about the ills of capitalism as if the collective psyche woke up yesterday and forgot all of history. They are so enlightened and privileged that they can't help themselves in their need to share this valuable knowledge with everyone else. Capitalism bad. That's it. Then they scuttle off to the next thread and start over. That's the extent of "the Revolution".

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Yes god thank you.

I thought I was going crazy, every single thread that's even remotely (very remotely) connected to politics is full of this.

I'm seriously worried for the platform, because this shit is going to turn people off hard.

Even saw someone suggesting an assassination of a supreme court justice AND PEOPLE WERE FUCKING DEFENDING IT. The mods removed the comment luckily, but I still managed to get like 30 downvotes on a "don't suggest assassinations, be better than them" comment, just check my history.

We're becoming fucking Truth Social or Parler or whatever of the left.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I feel like it's too late for Lemmy. The echo chamber is already pretty strong. I hope I'm wrong.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the flagship instance is lemmy.ml

the software is made by tankies.

did you think this place was politically neutral? the whole fediverse is a fuck you to the status quo.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (22 children)

To be honest, I have nothing against socialists. I consider myself a soc Dem. I have many friends that are socialists. My issue is with how shallow and superficial the conversation is. Of your whole world thesis starts and ends with class warfare, there simply isn't much to discuss. There are no prescriptions- just empty rhetoric. At the end of the say it's horseshoe anti-establishment.

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[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm trying to break through the echo chamber whenever I come across it, but it's a thankless endeavor, and I'm pretty close to giving up.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

There's dozens of us haha. I think more people are tired of the empty rhetoric because it's not getting the same traction it used to. My suspicion is it's like the same three people posting the same comment everywhere.

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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just as annoying are the "cars are bad" people who crawl out of the woodwork every time a car is mentioned.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

Cars would kill you and everyone you love, if given the chance.

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[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

Are you a bot?

[–] Tannah@feddit.uk 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Aircraft maintenance is heavily regulated. This was a new plane, and the result of the failure is that all planes of that type have been grounded.

There are plenty of issues caused by corporate greed and lack of regulation as it is, but this isn't one of them.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The story of the 737 MAX is corporate greed. It's just by Boening, not the operator. However, the operators heavily influence the choices by Boening.

[–] rivermonster@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

When corporations capture the government, the 737 MAX happens.

[–] rivermonster@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Actually, you make my point. Without regulation that was outside the hands of capitalists, they wouldn't have been grounded. Capitalism only cares about profits. Thank hell, that there are a few regulations left, right?

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apparently some planes are designed so the side doesn't fall off at all. I just don't want people thinking planes aren't safe!

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 10 months ago

I was thinking more of the other ones.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 34 points 10 months ago

Is it bad that my first thought on reading the headline was 'it's gonna be a fucking MAX, isn't it?'

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Not really a window. It’s a plug put in where an optional emergency exit door would be. (Or so I’ve read elsewhere)

[–] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh, well that’s completely fine then.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 10 months ago

New functional emergency exit. Actually working better than designed.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I remember watching a documentary that went over how the corporate culture in Boeing changed post the McDonnell Douglas accusation. The last plane that was done right was the 777.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 7 points 10 months ago

'There was a kid in that row, his shirt was sucked off him and out of the plane. His mother was holding onto him to make sure he didn't go with it,' a man on the first flight said

New phobia unlocked

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, the fact that it was still able to make the landing is remarkable. This isn't the Comet after all...

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Airplanes are crazy over engineered. Something like half the systems can fail and they’ll still be able to land the plane.

The safety regulations are written in blood, but they’ve continually prevented more disasters.

I’m sure the MAX 9 is going to have a lot of investigation done very soon.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago

Boeing is trying hard to unravel all that

[–] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Very different modes of failure. Metal fatigue ripping apart fault lines in structural metal is very different from an emergency exit door popping out.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Unexpected in-flight ventilation.

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