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Father and son charged in killings of pregnant Texas teen and her boyfriend (www.nbcnews.com)
submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
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Police arrested and charged a father and son early Thursday in connection with the murder of a pregnant teenager who was about to give birth, and her boyfriend, in San Antonio last month.

Christopher Preciado, 19, was charged with capital murder while his father, 53-year-old Ramon Preciado, was charged with abuse of a corpse for allegedly helping to move the bodies of Savanah Soto, 18, and Matthew Guerra, 22, who were found shot dead in a car.

A conviction for capital murder is punishable by the death penalty or life imprisonment.

San Antonio Police Department confirmed the charges in a statement and said more charges are pending, possibly relating to the death of the unborn child.

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Detectives believe the deaths were related to a “narcotics deal that went bad,” he said.

Call me crazy, but I'm not sure a woman who's been scheduled to have her pregnancy induced would be looking for drugs, especially when she's about to get that epidural good stuff. I mean sure, maybe the dude wanted to get high, maybe it's an older drug debt, but maybe I'm being naive, but this just sounds like the usual police BS and there's a real reason that they don't want to press release.

Edit: Found another article that has this tidbit about their "police work":

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/arrest-made-in-connection-to-double-homicide-of-savannah-soto-and-matthew-guerra-san-antonio-bexar-county-crime-killed-death

Sgt. Washington Moscoso disclosed that Ramon assisted in concealing the bodies, suggesting a darker undertone to the crime. The case appears to be tied to a narcotics deal.

So helping move a body only indicates drug related crimes? That's weird, cause Paul Flores's father hid and moved Kristin Smart's body all over his property for two decades, some parents will do anything to protect their child, and that includes horrible things.

[–] TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Her 15 year old brother was shot dead less than two years ago over a "money dispute" (i.e. drugs). Call me crazy, but something tells me this family isn't just a misunderstood, wholesome group that the cops are targeting.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Oh pls, why would you think I'm trying to paint the family as "wholesome"? My point is more about police ineptitude or that there's more to this story than just "drugs".

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Epidural are just nerve blocks. Not narcotic. Although sometimes narcotics are used in childbirth its a separate thing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I mean... it could have been her boyfriend looking for the drugs? I vaporize weed and my wife doesn't use it, but sometimes she goes with me when I go buy weed. And she did before I could do it legally too.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I definitely get what you're saying, I've been there as well, just not with my wife or gf, I'd never risk my SO like that, if anyone is going to jail over a drug deal gone wrong it should be me who has the habit. My old roommate used to come with me once in a while when i picked up from my weed plug, he was a very heavy church going Jamaican fella, so i would buy the stuff while he would go inside the store we were meeting near to shop, then he would come out and sarcastically ask "did you have a nice time with your drug deal?" Which of course would crack me up because he literally sounded like Grim from Grim Adventurs of Billy and Mandy when he said it.

But I digress, when someone is due for being induced they are usually in a tremendous amount of pregnancy related pain already, so maybe she wanted some help with the pain, or maybe he was nervous about being an expectant father, so i can see why they would buy drugs, but I don't see why they would be murdered over "drugs" at the end of the day a dealer is a salesman, so why would they want to kill off clientele? I know it happens all of the time but it's bad business, because a dead person isn't paying up any debts owed.

This is just one of those crimes that doesn't make any sense to me, and the word of police is worthless, the real reason is probably something far more human, like jealousy or some kind of love triangle that was about to end once the baby was had. Drugs is just such an easy and self-serving thing for the cops to blame it on.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

the word of police is worthless

This is the only certainty.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

why would they want to kill off clientele? I know it happens all of the time but it’s bad business, because a dead person isn’t paying up any debts owed.

To make an example of them so other people that owe money hear about it and pay up. Or just because you're a psycho and killing people who "wrong" you makes you feel good.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You've clearly never spent any significant amount of time with drug addicts if you think every woman would stop using drugs because they're pregnant/about to deliver.

CPS in Texas immediately takes babies away if the moms test positive for drugs (hospitals are mandatory reporters for it), and it happens a ton.

Source: My wife used to do drug counseling intakes, and a large portion of those were CPS cases where the baby was taken away at birth, and she has several friends who work in L&D who corroborate it.

[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

OP says he thinks she wouldn’t be looking for drugs because the hospital was about to fill her with painkillers anyway, not because she was pregnant

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Since the anti-abortion position is purely religious, it might be worth pointing out that the only proscribed remedy in the bible for the death of a fetus within a pregnant woman is a financial penalty, which would make the dead fetus a civil matter rather than legal. Of course the bible is strongly pro-abortion, so I doubt this will carry any weight with that crowd. Plus it is also strongly pro-slavery so it's not really a morally relevant text anyway.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

While I agree with you, abortion doesn't seem to play into this at all. The girl was planning on giving birth.

[–] username_unavailable@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Article even says it's suspected to have been a drug deal gone bad.

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think the other user just wanted an excuse to inject politics into something

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee -3 points 10 months ago

Yes because otherwise this legal proceeding is free of politics /s

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

They're stating that the Bible covers literally this scenario, and it demands financial compensation. The fact that this is so much worse than an elective abortion just reiterates that point. Unless someone wanted to argue that murdering a planned, viable, unborn child isn't as bad.

Now the Bible is way too radical for me on this. But that's what it says.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My point is, the abortion debate is the pretext for saying killing the fetus is murder. If you agree additional punishment is deserved, then you are buying into the anti-abortion argument. It's a trap.

The biblically correct consequence for killing the fetus is that the killer can be sued by the father. Not a criminal consequence.

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

So, was this a triple murder or did they steal the baby?