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A police sergeant, his wife and their two sons – ages 10 and 12 – were found dead in a suburban home in New York in what police said was a triple murder-suicide.

Watson Morgan, 49, a sergeant with the Bronxville police department, fatally shot his wife, Ornela Morgan, 43, and their sons before dying by suicide, police said. They were discovered just past midnight Saturday at the family’s home in Clarkstown – 18 miles north of Manhattan – after Morgan failed to show up for work at the police department in nearby Bronxville.

“At this phase in the investigation, it is believed that Watson killed his wife and two children, prior to killing himself with a self-inflicted gunshot wound,” the Clarkstown police department said in a statement.

All four members of the family had gunshot wounds, police said, and all were pronounced dead at the scene. Investigators recovered a handgun at the home.

Though police described Morgan’s killing of his wife and their children as a murder-suicide, such crimes since the 1980s have been known as Family Annihilations.

Communities often view such crimes as isolated tragedies, especially in the US. But an Indianapolis Star investigation found there had been an average of one Family Annihilation in the US every five days since 2020.

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[–] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One family annihilation every five days! Horrific!

[–] FiFoFree@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

*since 2020.

If my cowboy math is correct (assuming two parents and two children), that comes out to about 292 people per year or 876 since 2020.

With a population the size of the United States (330 million), that means that, for a given year, 0.00009% (rounded up) of that population dies as a result of a family annihilation. For comparison, around 40,000 people (including around 1,000 children) die in vehicle accidents annually in the US.

Not that family annihilations aren't horrible. They are. But, from a purely statistical perspective, there are much more frequent horrible things that we don't talk about as much, for a variety of reasons.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

This sounds like an argument for public transit

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Vehicle accidents can occur for many reasons. None of which include violent assholes that kill children. I can understand that some vehicle accidents probably stem from road rage, but most do not.

This killing is from some dickless wonder that harmed kids that didn't even get a chance to grow up. He has no sympathy even within the numbers.

It sounds as if you are justifying the annihilation rather than opposing it. I don't want to think that is your intention. However, just because people die from one thing or anything more does not mean it has the same value. Statistically speaking of course.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not sure I follow what point you're trying to make... I'm not sure anyone was claiming that it was a significant number per capita or whatever, just that it is a lot, period. And it is.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I live in the neighborhood. The mom was a den leader for my neighbor.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's a den leader? A Boy Scouts thing?

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Yup. The scouts seem to be organizing a vigil this week. Looks like the whole town is gonna go.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When I was a kid, I'd hear the older women in my family says 'It takes a special woman to marry a cop'.

When I asked why they said it was because you never knew if they were coming home that day.

Different era.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Construction workers are more likely to get killed on the job. Also far less likely to arrest a black guy for the crime of walking.

Might respect them more if they stopped giving out "friend of the police force" cards.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Or handing out “fuck your rights” bullets or beatings.

[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I was listening to an 1956 episode of Suspense where I heard the quote "All my life, I've heard a man had to have something wrong with him to want to be a cop, but I didn't believe it until now."

I wouldn't say the show is strongly pro- or anti-cop, but it's an interesting sentiment to hear from that time regardless.

On a somewhat related note, there's also an episode about a store owner who is too eager for a break-in so he has a reason to shoot someone. Really surprised me to hear from a 50s show.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

The real reason is because you're almost guaranteed to become a domestic violence statistic.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Most likely explanation is mounting debt or other financial issues that seemed impossible to solve. That's the most common source of family annihilation. Unless you live in Russia and are a billionaire…

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Since it was a cop it's most likely the end state of domestic violence.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Bankrupcy seems like a better alternative than murdering your entire family, tho

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or hell, if you can't handle that and think bankruptcy would be horrible and suicide is the only option, don't take your family out with you. How fucking arrogant do you need to be to think that your family couldn't go on without you (assuming one of the more generous motivations)?

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

100%. Those kids could have had a good life

[–] Lazz45@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, if they just inherit their dead dad's debt, would that be a "good life?" Assuming a financial situation is why this occurred. If both parents die is the debt expunged or passed to next of kin? If the debt is passed, they would be forced to declare bankruptcy early in their life (destroying their credit), which destroys a lot of options like college, car ownership, etc.

By no means am I saying this is the better option, just seems like both were quite shitty outcomes to me

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

You don't inherit debt...

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 months ago

I'd say just about anything seems better than murdering your entire family. But people come up with weird solutions when under duress.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I thought family annihilation was an outsider killing an entire family. I think I've only ever heard murder suicide be used for parents killing children/spouses. It seems like the news is trying to make this even more inflammatory than it already is.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can I just say, it shows how utterly fucked your society is that you have fuckin words for this shit, jesus fuck 😅

Yous will sit and argue about whether or not something was a mass shooting, but not discuss the actual reason behind it

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

what's "funny" (not funny) to me is they had to invent a category of shootings- mass shootings- because there were too many shootings to distinguish.

I wonder how long before we're talking about "only 1 mass^mass shooting" per day

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

It's shameful and embarrassing.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Family annihilators are generally men killing off their family. I think outsiders killing families are just plain old murderers.