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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago

It should be noted that this report includes emissions from the entire production chain and the use of said item and places it to the company. Someone makes a car and you drive it for 1 000 000km and the company that made the car is now responsible for the pollution you caused by driving. Actually, the companies who made the materials to make the car are responsible, according to the report.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

should make it pretty easy.

conduct the audit annually and if you are in the list your profits are taxed at 90%

badah badabing.

It's an incredibly narrow tax that won't impact 99.9999+ % of companies.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tax the revenue.. companies are notorious for showing losses.

[–] iraq_lobster 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

true, but some countries like Qatar are wholly relying on oil to exist. Who will it be taxing ? itself ? maybe rest of the world could help tax it by avoiding its products and services (qatari airlines, telecom companies, etc their wealth is disguised under so many forms)

[–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is the first?

The cumulative account for all coal manufacturing companies in china? The countries related ti coal emission in general?

[–] iraq_lobster 3 points 1 year ago

yea: china coal and rio tinto (australian) are separate, albeit the fact that china is importing coal from Australia too, so its probably its domestic production

Although it's a bit of a disingenuous list as others have pointed out, it's still a good starting point to use to check any investments (pension funds etc) you have so that you can divest.

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love how China is a company here, very fitting

[–] ultra@feddit.ro 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah but that's not actually a company, thats just straight up a prison

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] iraq_lobster 8 points 1 year ago

i know its kinda inaccurate; they aren't the only one responsible for said emissions: its a whole chain, from crude oil until the finished product. But if they provide oil as a form of energy, they could then be labeled energy companies, and thus they could be hold accountable for not providing clean energy instead. Just a personal mediocre analysis, nothing to be taken serious here..

[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And - oops, you’ve just died of cold.

To be clear, I think climate change is the most serious threat we face today. I just think these kinds of list need some thought and interpretation

[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Its stupid to hold oil extracting companies responsible instead of the end users. Car holders. Manufacturers. Airline companies and al. They are not the one's burning the hydrocarbons it's us. We should stop shifting the blame and restructure the economy around what shit we need and what extra shit to stop producing .

Once demand stops extraction stops.

[–] MrMakabar 6 points 1 year ago

We have to change our system, so the right choice is the easy choice. Why do you think the average Frenchman has a third of the per capita emissions of the average US American. It is stuff like a clean electricity grid, working public transport, laws reducing waste and so forth, which make it a lot easier to live low emissions in France then in the US. Not that France is perfect.

The insane part is that even when Americans really try, it is hard for them to beat the French per capita emissions. Take Dancing Rabbit for example. They are an ecovillage and they really try to reduce their emissions, by having a bunch of solar, passive houses and so forth. However they are in the US and still have a per capita footprint of about 9t, which is nearly double that of the average French at 4.6t.. I gurantee you that the people at Dancing Rabbit care a lot more about emissions then the average French too, but systems just beat individual action.

[–] iraq_lobster 1 points 1 year ago

on the consumer level, a certain ecological could be followed: like avoiding owning an iphone, an android that lasts for 7-10 years should be fine, a car for 25 years, have the credit of bringing one child per marriage, maximum 2 children from 2 marriages. The rest is government level: ensuring public transportation, producing renewable energy, avoiding useless student debt, buildling insulation..also it helps if politicians dont take lobby money and did actual work to benefit society, and also fend off corporate greed. a single person shouldn't be accountable for all the pollution

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What an absolute worthless made up metric that means nothing.

The guardian should top this list releasing this trash info the wild.

Use less shit. Stop having 40 kids. Less shit will be made