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[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 177 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The amount of people here commenting authoritatively about this is disheartening.

Trump's economic policies were insane. I remember looking at his campaign platform and seeing tax cuts everywhere and with no way to pay for anything.

I remember him shuttering valuable tools like the pandemic response teams because he wanted to tear down the success of previous administrations.

I still remember him mocking our military, displaying state secrets on national tv, trade wars that destroyed American jobs, diplomatic decisions that ruined international relationships.

I remember immigrant children locked in cages.

I remember the rule of law being absolutely trampled in order to achieve nothing. Just norms and institutions being torn down.

Trump accomplished nothing and made literally every facet of our government, politics and economic life worse.

He performed a political pump and dump and the entire world is still picking up the pieces.

He is a fascist and categorically the worst president we've ever had and every person here saying, "well actually..." should be ashamed.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While I agree I'd be careful with "I remember immigrant children locked in cages." If you don't want all the "ObAmA StArTeD iT aNd BiDeN CoNtInUeD!" comments lol

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"Slow the testing down, please!"

he should have been immediately arrested and thrown in the fucking Hague with that statement.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Trump was the worst President in U.S. History.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I would say second-worst after Andrew Jackson. Hard to beat genocide in order to make a massive land grab.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Personally, I'm very bitter about the completely awful effects of Reagan's tenure. Literally turned the office into a Hollywood act; you know damn well he wasn't calling the shots. He was there to draw people's attention.

[–] highenergyphysics@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He also defunded 99% of American science to pour billions into a hole in Texas that never had a chance of working.

Ever notice how all major breakthroughs these days come from non-US scientists? The scene never recovered.

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[–] Mellibird@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's not forget the "war on drugs" as well. A lot of awful things came from the Reagan era.

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[–] SapphironZA@lemmings.world 11 points 1 year ago

Not to mention that he changed economic policy to ensure the boomer generation will dominate all following generations.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Drumpf gets a second term, I think he'll be going for the high score.

[–] SmarfDurden@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Dismantling democracy would definitely put him over the top

Tbh Andrew Johnson (became president after Lincoln was assassinated) is pretty high up there, too. I might actually put him ahead of Trump in terribleness, because a lot of the regressive societal shit we are dealing with now - and have been dealing with for around 150 years - can be directly attributed to Johnson’s softball treatment of the Confeds during reintegration.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Trump/Kushner did try to weaponize the COVID response against blue regions that voted Democrat. That's pretty bad

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, among the most evil maybe, but he was successful in what he did at least.

Can't forget that Trump if anything killed millions not even because he was trying to, but outright negligence.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Trump activity attempting to overthrow the Federal Government pushes him beyond Jackson. Moving the Southeast Tribes to Oklahoma was a fall out of the War of 1812 against the Tribes who joined the British. It doesn't remove how horrible that was. Moving so many people during a pandemic of Yellow Fever was inexcusable. Obviously Jackson didn't care.

I still think Trump attempts to overthrow the government is worse as well as losing 20 million jobs, making the Covid pandemic worse by inaction, and all his criminal activity.

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[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised at the amount of disagreement your comment is getting.

I don't want to downplay Jackson's displacement of American Indians, but there was one real FUBAR thing Jackson did that no one remembers:

He paid off the national debt.

Completely and entirely. The federal government existed debt free for some months (I forget exactly how long, I want to say it was a year or so before borrowing exceeded income).

On the face of it, this probably sounds like a good thing, but it hard crashed the economy. Obv wasn't alive at the time, but it's my understanding that it was the worst economic disaster until the Great Depression (and The Great Depression was only worse because the country and world were far more connected than the world of Jackson's day).

That said, I hear inauguration party was a real rager.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Let's be clear though, it wasn't because of his economic policy, it was his thorough mishandling of covid that got one million Americans killed which was the problem.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More significantly yes but let's not forget the massive tax cuts and regulation destruction he did

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[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't that his brainless decisions regarding economic policy did anything but make it worse.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember his trade wars with...everyone? And then he renegotiated the same agreements but worse?

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I would love to not remember the entire four years; but I have to accept that the only chance to learn from it is to acknowledge that the shit did happen. Ugh.

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but the man didn’t do anything without the combination of someone telling him to do it and somehow that thing being made worth his while.

So, why the hell would he decide/be-told to disband the US Pandemic Response team in May 2018?

https://x.com/atomicanalyst/status/994696175575068672?s=46&t=g3yM8UdEINqcLyXIxWs-lg

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apparently, Trump had a beef with his National Security advisor, and that advisor was good friends with the admiral in charge of the pandemic office. So, to punish the Advisor, Trump closed down his buddy's office.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s all so petty. And people still want this person to have power. Society is so confusing.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

These thoughts are not original to me.

The Boomers were mostly raised by people who'd survived the Depression and WW2. The parents were deeply scarred by those experiences and told the Boomers they had to be 'tough.' The Boomers grew up in a world of plenty, and never had any idea of what 'tough' really was. Men like Reagan and Trump, who built their image as 'tough guys' never got within a mile of actual combat. This is perfect for Boomers who spent their lives avoiding real conflict while thinking of themselves as bad ass pioneers.

The other thing is 'Future Shock.' A sociologist named Alvin Toffler and his wife wrote a book back in the 1970s. The idea of 'future shock' was that as the Industrial Age died and the Digital Era bloomed, a lot of people would be unwilling/unable to adopt to the changing world. They woudl try harder and harder to keep the past alive, even if it meant killing the future.

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[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think they handled it all according to the plan. It allowed them to sow distrust in everyone from doctors just trying to save people's lives, to the very government he was in charge of. It basically set the hook for his cult of "you can only trust me". And his cult believes that millions are going to die from the vaccine, and at the same time that people dying from COVID is "fake news".

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, even if Trump did manage the pandemic like a sane person, the economy likely would’ve still taken a massive pandemic hit.

Other nations, with better public health policies and lower losses of life, also saw a bonkers hit to economic indicators.

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can’t say that about the rampant spending that took place during his administration. Conservative fiscal policy be damned!

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are only concerned with spending when they are not in power.

It's been that way for years.

[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

It's classic Two Santas from the Republicans again.

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[–] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, he got half of his term playing golf. If he had been all day in office I am sure that he'd tanked it even more.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What if I told you that people who vote for Trump aren't doing so for his fiscal policy? 🤔

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've watched interviews of MAGAts being asked what specific Trump policy made their lives better and their answers are always "the economy".

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

His policies were standard republican fare. The difference maker was covid.

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