I’m sure republicans love that since it is their goal to replace them.
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They won't. They don't want universities, because that implies more education.
What I suspect will probably happen is the universities will shrink or close, and/or lose their accreditation, further increasing their brain drain.
What I don’t understand is why no politician who’s against this has proposed an education act under the guise of national security.
What republicans are doing with education is very dangerous. Stupid voters are easy to manipulate, which seems to be the goal, but they have to do more than vote for the other 364 days a year. Having a poorly educated population means you have less engineers designing infrastructure, less trades people building that infrastructure, less doctors to treat injured and ill people, and less skilled professionals overall. The US is largely in the economic and geopolitical position that is in due to the manufacturing and research capacity we had after WW2. For decades, the US was where people went if they wanted to be at the bleeding edge of design/research, because we had very good higher education and the skilled manufacturing to bring those designs to life. Attacking education only hastens the decline of that legacy. A few decades like this means the US will no longer be able to make the advanced military equipment used to project power across the world, or US companies not being able to find people who can maintain, improve, and innovate on products without hiring foreign contractors. If Desantis’ attacks become a national thing, they’ll be putting the US on a fast track to rapid decline and economic collapse.
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It's ok, Florida's going under the water anyway. Let reasonable people while they can.
So any way you slice it, this is not a loss for Republicans, they're getting precisely what they want here. Unintended consequences? Probably, but they're too blinded by their belief in their own superiority to be able to imagine any.
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There has never been a project in my life that I walked away from that I regretted later doing that.
Here is the delusion: you stick it out, you triumph when you should have failed, you made a difference, and people love you for it.
Here is what really happens: you stick it out until you are broken/fired, you got some wins and took some Ls, you didn't make a difference because the disaster is bigger than you are, and everyone blames you for not being good enough.
Don't mix your success with their failure. Don't be a hero to people who don't want to be rescued. If Florida is making your job hard to do the best thing you can do is head north.
Needed to hear these words, very applicable to my current environment. Cheers :)
I grew up in a town of under 500 people deep in the Northern Appalachian mountains. If you work at it, it gets better. I never visit home and am upper middle class yuppy liberal atheist.
Take control of your life, move away from that crap. When you get to NYC send me a message, buy you a fancy latte or an IPA.
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the brain drain is real. the 'red' states are getting dumber and dumber, and as a result, 'redder' and 'redder'.
A friend of mine was military and also moved all around the country for school and work. He said the dumbest people he ever met, that didn't realize they were dumb, were in Florida.
That's not at all surprising to me
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My brother went to New College. It was a great alternative school where people like my brother, who did not do well in conventional public school, were able to thrive. DeSantis destroyed that. It's criminal.
Good for them. Everyone should bail on that piece of shit. Show future pieces of shit that pieces of shit won’t be tolerated.
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The Red State Brain Drain continues. Professors leaving Florida. OB/GYN doctors leaving Texas.
Why would you want to work in a place that criminalizes your job?
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with the educators attracted to the research opportunities, student bodies, and the warm weather.
Possibly could have phrased that better, but OK.
with the educators attracted to the research opportunities, students bodies, and the warm weather.
That better?
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Maybe I'm wrong but this isn't good for anyone. Brain drain on the south only bolsters the southern strategy and will hand over the electoral college to the uninformed
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The article keeps saying "conservative" when the correct descriptors would be "fascist", "bigoted" and "anti-education".
the ~~conservative~~ fascist administration of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis
worked to put a[n] ~~conservative~~ anti-education imprint on [the] state
with a largely compliant GOP-controlled legislature, he's imposed ~~conservative~~ bigoted education reforms across the state.
The conservative platform is all of those things, so it's completely fair to call it that. The entire party is rotten to the core because they are simply ok with being the party of all of those things.
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The only University staff that most people care about is whoever is coaching the Gators or the Seminoles.
Florida > Highest paid public employee: Dan Mullen; University of Florida football coach > Annual salary: $6,070,000 > 2nd highest paid public employee: Willie Taggart; Florida Atlantic University football coach > Annual salary: $5,000,000 > 3rd highest paid public employee: Josh Heupel; University of Central Florida football coach
It's depressing how common that is.
Holy fuck. Almost every state. Red state or blue state, doesn't matter. Almost always the football coaches. Meanwhile, the person running the booth at the DMV takes home what, $20 an hour maybe?
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I get why they're doing it,
But what exactly do they think is going to happen when those highly coveted positions get filled by people complacent or supportive of DeSantis' agenda?
The university system in Florida will get worse? Why should professors feel obligated to try to save Florida's higher ed system?
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I mean, to the professors themselves? Nothing. To the university system? Arguably, what the people of Florida want and deserve
It's nice to say one would stay on principle and try and change things /fight back, but in reality, it's a huge emotional and professional drain, especially on families. I've personally drawn a line at applying for positions in Florida
That said, I've got a number of friends who work as professors in Florida and they haven't given any indication this affects them, or they're even remotely interested in leaving. Professors have high mobility and move often, especially if they have a competing (better) offer. The turnover rate only increased by 2% in the last year, according to the article...
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The silver-lining in Florida becoming solid red is that maybe - just maybe - we see an end to the Cuba embargo. But democrats will loose a critical Florida voting block! And? Like having the anti-Cubans on our side will help us take Florida anymore.
Good old Florida. Who needs fancy-pants professors when you've got a gater on a leash?
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