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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Someone should set up a new "shitamericanssay"

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And a new USDefaultism while we're at it.

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[–] CisopSixpence@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I live in the United States and although I grew up here using Fahrenheit, I switched to Celsius almost 10 years ago. Part of my reason for switching was the rest of the world was using Celsius and every time they would mention the temperature, I had no clue if that was very hot, or just right and kept having to convert, so since there were not that many countries that used Fahrenheit, I switched. I still know what the comfortable range is in Fahrenheit, but now I also know in Celsius as I use it every day. Also, I no longer appear to be an old curmudgeon that is resistant to using a system the rest of the world already uses.

[–] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I did exactly this but with 24 hour clock lol

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Can you set your thermostat using Celsius?

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[–] roulettebreaker@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had once heard described that fahrenheit's best feature is that you can go "oh, 1-100, 'sheesh, that's really cold!' to 'hoof, that's pretty hot!'" and yeah, while I was in the US where most temperatures (RIP Florida) change all the time, that sure was convenient.

However, living in a country that always stays in the 80-100 range, the 'oh fuck, the water's freezing' to 'oh fuck, the heat death of the sun is upon us' range is a MUCH more useful scale to knowing if we've been struck by some sort of apocalyptic event today

[–] Peeko@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Having the freezing point of water be at 0 instead of 32 just makes infinitely more sense.

[–] desttinghim@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fahrenheit's 0 is the freezing point of water - salt water that is. Not that I think it's better, just that there was some thought put into it.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

It... isn't. That would change wildly depending on which sea/ocean you get your saltwater from (more salt = colder freezing point).

It really is defined relative to a very specific brine mixture (in the most scientifically generous origin story - some say he literally just measured the coldest winter day he could). Well except it isn't anyway, because like all US units nowadays it's defined against metric units (namely the Kelvin, just like 0°C is actually defined to be 273.15 K).

[–] Onionizer@geddit.social 1 points 1 year ago

Only if you're measuring water temps. In general it makes more sense to put the zero of your scale at absolute zero

[–] CynAq@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

As someone who moved to the US later in life, I learned to use fahrenheit because there's no way to talk to anyone about the weather or cooking otherwise.

If you need to do the same one day, don't bother trying to convert in your head. Just learn the numbers conversationally. Familiarize yourself with how the weather feels with the number the weather app shows.

I can't convert at all but I can use both C and F in conversation because one rarely needs exact numbers anyway. You learn the ballparks pretty quick.

[–] RMiddleton@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This, for sure. I live in the US and wanted to learn to understand Celsius so I switched my phone to use it. Internalizing a system works where translating/converting does not. I quickly learned that I feel comfortable in temperatures in the 20s. Since I feel comfortable in Fahrenheit temps in the upper 60s to mid 70s I can guess what the conversion is for most temps, but I don't have to do it to understand that I like how 22 C feels.

Similarly, if you're traveling and having to use a foreign currency I prefer to establish an idea in my head of cheap, reasonable, expensive than stopping to convert every price exactly. A "reasonable price" is relative to the item and location, of course, and should also affect my perspective.

Absorbing a new system by this method works fairly easily for temperatures and money, but less so for other measurements. I don't have as fine-tuned a sense of what ounces, pounds, or grams feel like as I do units of temperature. And I am always adding or subtracting 12 to understand time when expressed as 13h and up.

During the brief period when the US was encouraging metric system understanding there were many highway speed limit signs expressed as 55 mph / 88 kph. Every time I need to make that conversion I think of 5/8 because of that sign. And I usually just make guesstimates that work well enough.

I like learning new things. The generation before me in my family turned off their brains long ago and now suffer dementia. I work to keep my mind active. Learning other units of measure is one example.

Finally I'll say that I WISH I could get to a point of understanding languages this way without translation.

[–] CynAq@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sadly, language is a bit iffy when it comes to internalizing.

Unless you learn a language when you're a child, and ideally starting before you're ten, you won't get instinctive enough to match a native speaker's. That's just how our brain development works.

There's a special linguistic plasticity which is the language learning instinct that's fully active until we're ten or so and gradually declines and pretty much stops when we're in our early twenties.

What you learn until then is used by the language centers of your brain and is more or less reflexive. You don't need to think about it to use it, like walking.

After that, we can only learn languages intellectuality, which means we do have to think about it and deliberately listen and speak (or read and write obviously) using our prefrontal cortex.

Maybe one day we'll invent a technology or some medical treatment to turn it back on in later life.

[–] BravoVictor@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Terrific insight. I had often wondered if that alone would assist with adoption if it became standard in the US. That, or we would just print it in two formats all the time..

[–] klz@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I find the conversion between the two easy enough to do it my head.

This isn't exact but is close enough for conversations and 99% of my needs.

(Temp in F - 30) / 2

Examples

70F:
70F - 30 = 40
40 / 2 = 20C

10F:
10F - 30 = -20
-20 / 2 = -10C

The actual number is 21 / -12 but this is close enough for me 99.9% of the time

[–] sisyphean@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you, this is a a great idea! I've found these common temperatures online, in case anyone wants to learn them:

Description Celsius (°C) Fahrenheit (°F)
Absolute Zero -273.15 -459.67
Freezing Point of Water (at sea level) 0 32
Average Room Temperature 20-22 68-72
Body Temperature 37 98.6
Average Summer Day 25-30 77-86
Heat of a Desert 40-50 104-122
Boiling Point of Water (at sea level) 100 212
Highest Recorded Earth Temperature 56.7 134
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average Summer Day 25-30 77-86

See, that's the problem with these "Fahrenheit is more intuitive" arguments. They are catered to a very specific country with a very specific climate. For me, 25-30 ºC is an average late spring day.

[–] sisyphean@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

It's intuitive to those who grew up using it. For me, Celsius is much more intuitive because people around me used it all my life and refer to common temperatures in Celsius.

So I think intuitiveness is very subjective and not a good criterion to judge a unit by.

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[–] moneygrowsontrees@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I like to refer to them as Freedom units and Communist units (in jest, obviously). I will say, though, that Fahrenheit feels like a more precise scale for measuring temperature even if the units are goofy.

[–] kilmister@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What additional arguments besides personal experience would you give to back this precision claim?

Temperature scales are arbitrary by nature, and the criteria behind their definition can be useful or not. Fahrenheit's isn't that much useful compared to Celsius' or Kelvin's.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

So precise that everything is rounded to the nearest 5 or 10 degrees lol.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

F is kinda nice for weather as a scale of 1 to 100 of really cold feeling to really hot feeling. But for anything scientific or calibration related, C is great

[–] kat@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Disagree. Celsius is super helpful for determining if it's gonna snow or not, a key weather thing where I live. Humid and cold and below 0? Snow. Humid and cold and above 0? Rain or freezing rain.

Also helps with plants. Below 0? Frost.

I'd argue you can't get more intuitive than 0 is cold, below 0 is very cold. Celsius also plays nice with round numbers, every 5 or 10 degrees is a change in feeling. 0 is cold, 5 out is cooler, 10 out is cool, 15 is moderate, 20 is comfortable, 25 is room and warm, 30 is hot, 35+ is very hot. Every ten degrees we're doing big changes. 0 is frozen, 10 is cool, 20 is comfortable, 30 is hot. 32 being frozen doesn't feel as intuitive.

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