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Former President Donald Trump on Saturday attempted to turn the tables on his likely rival in November, President Joe Biden, arguing that the man whose election victory Trump tried to overturn is “the destroyer of American democracy.”

Trump’s allegations about Biden, a Democrat, echo the ones that Biden has been making for years against his predecessor. As Trump has dominated the Republican presidential primary and talked about targeting his rivals and the news media if he wins the White House again, Biden has stepped up his own warnings, contending Trump is “ determined to destroy American democracy.”

On Saturday, Trump made his most explicit argument to date on why voters should instead see his rival as the bigger democratic threat. Trump repeated his longstanding contention that the four criminal indictments against him show Biden is misusing the federal justice system against his rival.

“He’s been weaponizing government against his political opponents like a Third World political tyrant,” Trump said to a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “Biden and his radical left allies like to pose as standing up as allies of democracy,” Trump continued, arguing: “Joe Biden is not the defender of American democracy, Joe Biden is the destroyer of American democracy.”

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Republicans need to ditch the elephant mascot in favor of this:

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Actually I believe their mascot is appropriate because creeping fascism is the elephant in the room that very few people want to talk about.

[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The thing is though, it's crazy effective.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago

Remember when Trump pulled a "No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet! No you're the puppet!" and still managed to get elected?

Wtf is wrong with people...

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trump's Cultists hurt themselves in their confusion.

[–] bearwithastick@feddit.ch 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh no no. They won't only hurt themselves. Sadly, US politics tend to have an impact on a large part of the globe. If Trump gets re-elected, it's not only the US that will get fucked.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

True, but I think that's too long for a status effect.

[–] bearwithastick@feddit.ch 4 points 9 months ago

Good point :)

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday attempted to turn the tables on his likely rival in November, President Joe Biden, arguing that the man whose election victory Trump tried to overturn is “the destroyer of American democracy.”

Interesting but horrible argument.

Trump repeated his longstanding contention that the four criminal indictments against him show Biden is misusing the federal justice system against his rival.

Yeah, but see you actually broke the law and need to be punished. And Joe Biden had nothing to do with you breaking the law or getting caught. If you had never run for president it's likely you would still be skating by breaking the law.

Trump has long promised to prosecute Biden in retaliation should he return to the White House.

Oh! You just want an excuse to do the same thing you say your opponent is doing. So weaponized justice system for me but not thee.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 42 points 9 months ago

Republicans are an existential threat to the united states.

We need to stop treating them like they just have a different opinion.

If you ever wondered what you would do if you found yourself in germany before WW2, now's your chance to find out.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

I think there are two parts to this:

1 - obvious projection based on what’s already known about him

2 - using the words ‘destroy’ and ‘democracy’ in the same sentence to his cult...just to get the idea of destroying our democracy into the ol' zeitgeist

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

PROJECTION. Take the opposite of whatever trump says as truth, dude is pathological.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 29 points 9 months ago

Every accusation is a confession.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Trump is going to alienate his "we're not a democracy we're a republic" base with this commie talk.

[–] hoanbridgetroll@midwest.social 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Holy hell - I had a MAGA woman pontificate about this recently, going on and on about the “mob rule” of democracy. I know how our government works, Tamara, and I still don’t support your fourth reich aspirations.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

They have been doing this "well, actually" thing about democracy for as long as I can remember, most especially the Libertarians and the "classical liberal" type of Republicans.

But they have been mainstreaming this more and more and it's been turned up to 11, and I think there is a reason their thought leaders have been leading them down this path....and it's not a good reason.

As always, I recommend people read Democracy in Chains. If there is/are related documentary(ies) that forward the same information, I'd love to know about them.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I'm pretty certain it's just because those words have similar names to the stupid cultist political parties.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago

Nah, his followers have selective amnesia where they individually forget anything he says that they don't like. Remember when he said he was going to confiscate guns without due process?

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago

Says the insurrectionist who tried to overthrow democratic elections

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Projection, always projection. It has been the case with Republicans for decade upon decade.

This is why I say no Republican should be allowed into office, ever.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago

Trump: Biden is destroying Democracy! Also Trump: I'm waging a War on Democracy!

Republicans: Both make sense and I think for myself!

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 13 points 9 months ago

When you’re insisting you’re not an authoritarian, you’re losing.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Fuck the republican traitor filth. They are unworthy of the oxygen they breathe.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Welcome! Come one come all to the new stage! No more do policies hold the limelight. Never again shall we bore with the drab and dull of debate. Breathe the naked excitement of pure human excrement flung to and fro. The great halls of man metamorphisised, and from the magneficient cocoon has birthed a grimy throne of porcelain. Diminish your standards, and revel in the filth! The new man is forever here!

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Just think, we haven't hit peak 1984 yet. "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wait, I thought we were a RePubLiC not a democracy? Isn't that part of their core argument against popular vote?

[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The classic 2nd grade playground bully argument:

"I'm Rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you"

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Too true. I would say it's been that way for quite a while now.

[–] PinkPanther@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Say it with me, everyone; PROJECTION!

[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

No puppet you are the puppet

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He is literally a Republic calling a Democrat destroying democracy. 9000D Chess.

[–] LEONHART 4 points 9 months ago

his likely rival in November

Ugh.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It's not what he says.. it's the fact it doesn't hurt his chances. The answer to the puzzle fuckin sucks, drumpf is just vannah white.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Remember when this was a wild, science fiction and not current events??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waldo_Moment

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world -1 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


On Saturday, Trump made his most explicit argument to date on why voters should instead see his rival as the bigger democratic threat.

Trump repeated his longstanding contention that the four criminal indictments against him show Biden is misusing the federal justice system against his rival.

Ammar Moussa, a Biden campaign spokesman, responded: “Donald Trump’s America in 2025 is one where the government is his personal weapon to lock up his political enemies.

Dozens of lawsuits were dismissed by courts and government and independent reviews have not found enough alleged fraud to throw the outcome into question.

Earlier in the day, at a rally in Ankeny, Iowa, Trump returned to allegations of Democratic election fraud, one of his favorite themes on the campaign trail.

He told the crowd to “guard the vote” in 2024, and focused on diverse cities he has often denigrated as examples of places where fraud would happen.


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