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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 105 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because the 'numbers' that neoliberals have decided are the indicators of a "good" economy mean almost nothing to, in all likely hood, 95% of Americans.

Measuring the right thing leads to inconvenient conclusions (age till retirement, income at retirement, income independence, buying power, home ownership, business ownership, union membership, etc.)

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bloody well hate the neoliberals. One was arguing with me on reddit that because people in Kenya are better off, compared to the 80s, I should stop complaining.

Like ok I am happy for the people of Kenya. I got nothing against them. So yeah good job. Now can my healthcare costs please go down? Because I am pretty confident that they can and the people of Kenya can also be doing well. One really doesn't impact the other that much.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, you see, because TVs have gotten consistently cheaper (they're like the only thing to have done so), everything's working!

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 15 points 10 months ago

And the main reason they're cheaper is because all of them are data harvesting machines. What a fun world where even your habits are a commodity!

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 73 points 10 months ago (2 children)

... because my purchasing power is much lower than two years ago and my wages aren't remotely keeping up with profiteering inflation? Because I have to be very careful around Christmas to not overspend and I get to explain to the kids why there's only a few presents under the tree? They'll be okay with it, but as a person who has children to take care of it, it's crushing to go backwards year to year in what you're able to provide? Because a 3/4 full shopping cart today (not much meat) was $179 today? And we have a fixed rate mortgage! I can't envision the pressures people who are renting or trying to buy a home right now are going through. Anyone saying "it's all good out there!" can get fucked.

[–] TheDubz87@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No kids to take care of, but my fridge just went out today. This spoiled most of the food in the fridge as I can't pick up a new one until tomorrow, and the of a new fridge and restocking my fridge pretty much cancels Xmas gifts for the family. I feel bad every year because they get my wife and I all kinds of cool stuff and it seems like every year I'm stuck telling them, "Maybe I'll be less broke next year" Not quite the same, I know, but it still makes me feel aweful...

Meanwhile the owner of my company just bought a 5th wheel camper trailer and hitch for his truck in June because he felt like going camping, and is having a 6 bedroom house built for his son on his ranch because his sons wife is having a baby.

This world is fucked for the working class truly.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

If it isn't too late. Buy an absolute fuck ton of ice. It'll keep the food cold enough.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't believe how expensive thanksgiving shopping was this year. I hit nearly 200 dollars.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

We hit $200 very easily just buying household essentials, it seems like. Heaven help us if we need paper towels, toilet paper, contact solution, the 'cheap' shampoo and conditioner, plus a few cleaning supplies all at the same time. $200 comes at you fast on those shopping days.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago (66 children)

No one is asking for deflation. They're asking for wages that don't decrease every year due to inflation and companies not giving raises or giving raises so small that it's still a pay decrease since it's not keeping up with inflation.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Corporate profits ≠ my wallet

[–] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Corporate profits <- your wallet

[–] hark@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"Why Americans feel gloomy about the economy despite paying a lot more for things than the official inflation numbers claim and having a wage that isn't rising as high as official numbers claim"

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[–] fender_symphonic584@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago (5 children)

"falling inflation" means prices are still rising...the rate of increase is what has decreased. What we need is negative inflation...or said differently, price decrease.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You don't actually want that. It encourages people to "invest" by sticking hard cash in a mattress. It rewards people for doing absolutely nothing but taking money out of the economy.

Ideal (if we're keeping a monetary exchange society, anyway) is low (<3%), predictable inflation combined with wages increasing in proportion to productivity. We had a period of relatively low inflation followed by a giant spike, plus wage gains that are nowhere near matching productivity gains over the last 50 years, and that's where things hurt. Capitalism doesn't seem capable of this, however, as it's always chasing the next hype cycle that leads to these spikes and lulls.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

As opposed to what we have going on right now, which is to punish working class people so ruling class people can still have prosperity.

[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Deflation means stagnation or crash in economic terms

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[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What you are describing is deflation and it's only happened twice during the history of the United States. It is also generally looked at as a bad thing.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is inflation generally looked at as a good thing or a bad thing? Ive only ever heard people complain about inflation.

If they are both bad things im willing to give the bad thing that improves my life a try over the bad thing that makes everything more expensive.

Granted i have nothing so im probably on the side of things that is least effected by the bad side of deflation.

If i can spend more money on the things i want to, it will absolutely help small local businesses near me

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (7 children)

A small amount of inflation is healthy. You REALLY want to avoid deflation, because that means the value of your money is increasing. If people know their money will be worth more in the future, they won't spend it, incentivized to save and sit on it. That means on average everyone spends less, slowing the economy down and starting into a recession/depression.

Gonna slap this with the good old "I am not an economist" disclaimer, juat what I remember from economics class in high school

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[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Japan has been struggling with deflation (=decrease of prices) for a good 25 years now... you really don't want that happening. Ideally you want something around 2% inflation.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Because interest rates are insane trapping people in homes they no longer want but can't afford to leave?

Speaking of... My car got totalled at the end of October, shopping for a new one, I saw interest rates for me between 7 and 8%, for other folks, I saw one as high as 12.25%(!) On a CAR LOAN.

[–] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because interest rates are insane trapping people in homes they no longer want but can’t afford to leave?

I'm in this comment and I don't like it.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Least you got a home. I am on a very long lease and landlord is getting offers. I got about 2.5 years until someone just offers him a million bucks in cash. Then I am out thousands of dollars in moving expense plus changing my kids school. Plan to fight it but I am sure I will lose.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

"most prices are high and still rising" Pretty obvious that corporations are price gouging to get their friendly fascist lifetime dictator back in power.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

The unemployment is low because people have a gun to their head. Inflation is falling, but it's not zero, therefore everything is still getting more expensive.

eCoNoMiCs.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like I have been seeing the same article once a month since 2007.

A. Unemployment numbers are basically a lie at this point. The only number that comes even close to representating the situation is the workforce participation rate. Question: what percent of people are employed? Answer: what percent of people are employed. It is simple as that. If you look at pretty much every month the US hits a new low. Over a third of the adult population did not earn $20 dollars last week. There was a slight trending down right before 2007 crash but not significant. A deep dive into the numbers shows that this is not the result of retirement, it is the result of prime working age males dropping out.

B. Who cares if inflation is low at this moment? That is like arguing that everything is fine the previous 5 minutes when a car crash happened 6 minutes ago.

Peices of garbage keep telling us that everything is fine when it fucking isnt

[–] halfempty@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

Maybe it's because everyone is struggling with high costs of housing, food, and healthcare, among other things, while wages have remained flat and stagnant for decades.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago

I can't remember the last time people felt good about the economy.

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I really wish news outlets would stop pretending this is some big mystery. Shit is too expensive.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

  • Upton Sinclair, 1934
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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 17 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Oh boy inflation is falling.

Unless it's greedy C-level execs falling out of windows there won't be a change in the cost. The issue is greed, inflation was just the scapegoat.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It also kinda glances over the fact that the boost of inflation is there permanently and this is the new baseline, and no wages have kept up to it at all while everyone is getting nickel and dimed to death.

[–] krakenx@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

100% this. It's great that inflation is only 4% now, but the price of nearly everything doubled since 2019, and wages, particularly for middle class and upper middle class have not increased enough. And the modest wage increases for the poor were used to further justify the price increases. And prices never go down, because "deflation=bad".

But, I will say that greedflation hit worldwide and the USA weathered it better than many other countries.

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[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

For Christmas dinner I vote we just eat the fucking rich

[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My wife and I are making more money than we ever have in the past. However, before that I was unemployed and was forced to find some way to keep being able to buy groceries, gas for the car, and helping my wife pay bills. As such, the only way I saw to do so was to take out a credit card or two, and they quickly got maxed out. So now I’m stuck paying $700/month in credit card bills, as well as dealing with the increasing food and rent prices. Our bills take a larger percentage of our total wages than before. And sure, part of that’s my own fault, but at the time it was do what I did or starve and get evicted. I wasn’t about to let that happen to my wife.

We’re still able to survive, but it’s by the skin of our teeth.

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[–] IamRoot@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

$4 for a bag of potato chips.

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