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[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kokko! Kokoo kokoon koko kokko.

Koko kokkoko?

Koko kokko, Kokko.

[–] Afghaniscran@feddit.uk 68 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Kokko [a rare name]! Gather together [in a spoken language, assemble also works but kind if misses the point of the repetitiveness] the entire bonfire.

The entire bonfire?

The entire bonfire, Kokko.

[–] Afghaniscran@feddit.uk 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That makes more sense to me.

It's similar to the English word play buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah though I hope it’s better as the buffalo wordplay is basically the only think keeping the verb use of buffalo alive

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Yes, exactly

[–] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I get a slightly different result from DDG translate:

Bonfire!
Assemble the whole bonfire.
The size of the bonfire?
The whole bonfire, the bonfire.

Although, it's even better with Kokko being a rare name;

Kokko!
Assemble the whole bonfire.
The size of the bonfire?
The whole bonfire, Kokko.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

"Bonfire!" works as a yell and for the ending in a poetic or lyrical style.

"The size of the bonfire" is wrong.

But we could add "Kokon koko?" to include it. Or even "Kokon koko koko?" for "The total/full size of the bonfire?" or "Koko kokon koko?" as in "The size of the whole bonfire?"

Edit for a narrative:

Kokko, kokko!

Kokko?

Kokoo kokoon koko kokko.

Koko kokkoko?

Koko kokko.

Kokon koko koko?

Kokon kokoinen kokko, Kokko.


And in English:

Kokko, the bonfire!

The bonfire?

Gather together the whole bonfire.

The whole bonfire?

The whole bonfire.

The total size of the bonfire?

A bonfire-sized bonfire, Kokko.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

My bonfire brings all the boys to the yard

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have no Finnish, but what I hear you saying is that DuckDuckGo's translate sucks.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Check out ChatGPT or deepl if you need Finnish translated. Of course this kind of wordplay is quite difficult to get right

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

i fed the text to chatgpt and it did a very good but not quite perfect job: "Bonfire, bonfire!

Bonfire?

Gather together the entire bonfire.

The entire bonfire?

The entire bonfire.

The size of the whole bonfire?

The size of the bonfire, Bonfire."

[–] Kiwi_fella@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I'm currently trying to learn Finnish. This stresses me out.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, this doesn't matter and we have a lot of harder stuff in the language which does matter

[–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh good, that’s encouraging lol

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm kidding. We appreciate everyone trying, even if they don't get possessiivisuffiksis right

[–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago
[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do normal people, because in your neighboring country, 50 year olds can't spell

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sorry, are you asking how our average person handles the language?

Native Finnish speakers seem to suck at compound words and punctuation on average, old and young.

People learning Finnish differ as they seem to (someone learning please speak up) struggle with double consonants, declension (had to google that word) and how spoken language is different from written official rules. I think all of these are mostly automatic to someone with Finnish as a mother tongue.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago

Yes, I am asking if the average person gets possessiivisuffiksis right. I suppose I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Nevertheless it seems my question was more or less answered

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Finnish compound words are pain in the ass.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

It's a pet peeve of mine to see them done dirty but lately I've thought that maybe they've been written by someone dyslexic or with something else as their first language and have become more lenient.

But still...

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago
[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

Start from deciphering this

Kokoo koko kokko kokoon. Koko kokkoko kokoon? Koko kokko kokoon.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kuusi palaa

Guess which meaning this one is. Hint: Look at my username

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 months ago

Oh fuck, again?

[–] Haggunenons@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Are these all pronounced exactly the same way?

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Actually yes. You can stress out some syllables to say YOUR moon is burning and such but it doesn't help a lot. Context matters

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago

Yep. Or maybe you could say that they have a teeny tiny difference, but it's barely noticeable if you aren't listening very closely.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most likely not, I expect it's the same as what you can do in English, put the stress on different places in a sentence to give different meaning.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They all actually sound quite the same. Some syllables can be stressed to highlight parts of the sentences. YOUR moon vs your MOON

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Finnish people gets this imprinted from birth, other people thinks "How can this work? 🤨"

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I had some Scandinavian colleagues joke with me about how their languages have these melodic intonations and we speak everything in monotone and they can't wrap their heads around it.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I'll jump in with a classic Danish one:

Får får får? Nej, får får ikke får, får får lam.

[–] HardlyCrabbing@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Danish has a better one, arguably more ridiculous:

Bar barbar bar bar barbar bar

Naked barbarian carried naked barbarian pub

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I raise you this

Kokoo koko kokko kokoon. Koko kokkoko kokoon? Koko kokko kokoon.

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

English has:

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I remember learning danish, I hate languages

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Don't look up the weird "run" in the English Dictionary.

Or attempt to read this out loud: https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

[–] verstra@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As someone designing a programming language: this is a terrible, horrific feature of a language, that makes poetry and jokes possible.

[–] force@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 5 points 11 months ago

Torilla tavataan!

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

DECEARING EGG

[–] force@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Me when languages have homophones/homographs 😱