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Video tiredness, video appropriateness (self.permacomputing)
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I used to really like youtube for all the interesting content - especially tutorial videos of all kind. Lately I have become very tired of watching moving images for content that could be delivered in text form - where I can choose to read and take it in at my own pace, in silence.

I agree that not all content can be delivered in this way, videos are incredibly helpful with a lot of stuff, but I wish more stuff could be (also) readable instead of watchable, or even listenable. Is in part an autism/accessibility thing, but also plays into my thoughts about the appropriateness of resource use for information recording/presentation/transfer from an Solarpunk computing perspective.

What do you think?

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[–] JacobCoffinWrites 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

100% agreed. I can read much faster than they can talk, and there's no good way to skim through a video without lots of disorienting pausing and waiting, and no way to ctrl-f for specific keywords. Whether it's a tutorial for building something or a videogames walkthrough, I almost always find myself impatiently trying to find a single specific piece of information.

I think I get the reasons - there's no money in text guides - YouTube defends the ad revenue better than the kind of banner ads you add to websites. Maybe patron but that requires I think a different use case from the kind of video someone only tunes into once when something with a specific product number breaks.

To make things worse, some tech support sites have started populating their content with AI articles that sound plausible until you try to follow them and realize that menu doesn't exist etc.

Not sure how to fix any of this but I'd love to find a way

[–] schmorpel 4 points 1 year ago

I almost always find myself impatiently trying to find a single specific piece of information.

This a thousand times. Can't really skim a video. Also, written text doesn't go "HALLOOOO, noiseeee Intro music this is YT-DUDE!!! more noise wild animation your friendly tech help guy, sponsored by [brand^TM^]" at you right on the first paragraph - must be that personality thing. ;)

There will be soooo much AI BS on the internet, I'm prepping by collecting books like a madperson already.

[–] activistPnk 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure how to fix any of this but I’d love to find a way

Possible fix: someone uses #Invidious or #YoutubeDL to fetch a video file (in fact, Invidious enables you to fetch just the audio stream). Pipe that into a speech-to-text tool. Then ideally you should be able to edit it to make a readable abstract/truncated transcript.

In a perfect world™ you could post that to the Invidious page for that video to help others. But that’s not reality at the moment. Someone should submit an Invidious feature request so volunteers can share their text extracts.

[–] JacobCoffinWrites 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That would be very cool

[–] activistPnk 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fix was in place all along:

https://youtubetranscript.com

[–] JacobCoffinWrites 3 points 11 months ago

Thank you! Definitely using this next time

[–] ProdigalFrog 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm of the same mind. My entire region lost internet the other day, so I was reduced to my mobile data, which was quite expensive to use with the plan I was on ($5 per GB). Being forced to be acutely aware of my data consumption, the sheer inefficiency of video became glaringly apparent. While it's possible to lower the video quality, it's still something I had to look at sparingly, but as you say, so much interesting stuff is only in that format.

Maybe the issue is that we struggle to find purely textual resources of the sorts of topics that video creators fulfill? Or is there truly just less people writing long-form textual stuff in a world that rewards video formats more than text?

One thing that is perhaps more difficult to convey in text is personality. Without a really strong grasp of how to convey your tone, spontaneity, your whole person in text, it's probably harder to connect with people over the wire. Video just makes it so much easier to feel like you 'know' someone, or appreciate someone's way of conveying information. A lot of creators I watch, I watch because of that, and something would absolutely be lost if it was a text article.

But still, having it as a secondary option, for times when you prefer it, or to more easily search for specific things within it, would be rather nice.

[–] schmorpel 4 points 1 year ago

Back when I forced myself through the first half of an EE bachelor with a lots of heavy maths and physics and computing I relied on youtube videos almost completely - whenever one of my profs couldn't deliver stuff in a way I could understand it (or when my autistic ears couldn't cope with the room acoustics plus their voice) I skipped class and went to youtube for help. I could not have done it with books, honestly. I needed both a human of my preference plus some well made graphics and diagrams - and then I could make sense of the concepts in the book and memorize them. Found a treasure of wonderful lecture series that had mediocre me surfing smoothly through my course before Covid put an end to it. So I guess for complex stuff videos can be great, but I'm picky and want my preferred level of information density.

These days I look up quite a range of different things: computer stuff, plants, gardening and animal stuff. Especially for the outdoor stuff there is an enormity of content online that is either in video form - so personality is quite a thing there, but I really just would like to know if I can feed plant A to animal B, or when I should seed my herbs - information that a tech person could put quickly in a table, but which some people on youtube can spin up to a 10 min video. For the computer stuff, videos can be helpful and to the point, but I would still prefer a text with images.

But yeah, it's a little frustrating to know that the content I seek is in there somewhere, somewhere in a video between walls of spoken text I cannot search in.

[–] activistPnk 2 points 11 months ago

I’m of the same mind. My entire region lost internet the other day, so I was reduced to my mobile data, which was quite expensive to use with the plan I was on ($5 per GB). Being forced to be acutely aware of my data consumption, the sheer inefficiency of video became glaringly apparent. While it’s possible to lower the video quality, it’s still something I had to look at sparingly, but as you say, so much interesting stuff is only in that format.

Same boat.. but in my case I live in that boat. This thread covers how to disable the media. If I want to watch a video I do that at public libraries. If you have some confidence in advance that audio alone is sufficient, you could visit the YT link on an Invidious instance and opt to download just the audio.

[–] ChucklesMacLeroy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Might wanna try a book.