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[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 115 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I liked her better when I didn't know she was Putin's lapdog.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What happened with her? She seemed okay when she was running a few elections ago and had some support, but then went a bit off and I stopped following her.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 44 points 11 months ago (64 children)

Apparently she received some funding that was traced back to Russia and is effectively acting as a spoiler candidate.

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[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 112 points 11 months ago (9 children)

If you like the ideas of the Green Party, vote for them at the local level. The fact that they don't seem to want to govern at the local level is enough for me to ignore them as an option.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This needs to be said more than anything else.

Politics NEVER changes from the top down. You don't elect some absolute newcomer who circumvents all the normal paths and then completely revolutionizes the country. (At least not in a stable, functioning society.) Politics in the US happens from the ground up. Not top down.

If any third party was serious about changing society, they would start at the local level. Then, after proving that they can enact meaningful change and bridge the divide between the huge political span that Americans hold, they would sweep their state elections and federal elections.

All of these pie-in-the-sky parties who think that they will win the presidency and then somehow enact society-changing legislation (_the president doesn't make laws!!!_) are either fools or charlatans.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

vote for them at the local level.

They only run in a handful of local races. I've lived in both a red state and a blue state- Indiana and California- in multiple districts and I have never once seen a green party candidate on the local level.

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (4 children)

That is literally my point. Ignore them until they seem to want governance as opposed to only seeing them in national headlines tilting at windmills. It's worthless.

If you like Stein's platform, voting for Stein will decrease the likelihood of you ever seeing such a policy implemented. If, say, a state rep. runs on a Green platform, they would likely get my vote.

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[–] Shazbot@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Gayle McLaughlin used to be the Green Party's best example of what they could do at the local level, until she left in 2016 to vote for Bernie Sanders. I'm fairly certain she is the outlier.

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[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago (10 children)

We need ranked choice voting.

[–] MedicatedMaybe@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago (5 children)

We certainly do, but you wouldn't catch me voting for that Russian stooge after everything that went down in 2016.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I mean, GREEN does stand for Getting Republicans Elected Every November.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 59 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Remember when Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump?

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

Fuck off Jill

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

Not this shit again. Our country literally might not survive another Donald Trump presidency, which is what you're helping happen by supporting a 3rd-party candidate when we have a 2-party system.

  1. Keep Trump and his goons from taking power
  2. Vote local. This is where things like ranked-choice voting and reproductive rights are created and have impact
  3. When it's not "first past the post", vote for whoever you want, guilt-free! At this point, there's no such thing as a spoiler candidate...

It's called priorities.

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Never forget that Jill Stein was at the same event and at the same table as Putin and that traitor Flynn

https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/democracy-now/clip/why-jill-stein-attended-moscow-dinner-with-putin-and-flynn

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh look another Russian agent

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We need a Green Party in the US but this ain’t it.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

We need ranked choice or approval voting before third parties actually have a chance.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Again? How much did Putin offer her this time?

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

For a stand up gal like her? At least 1 dollar

[–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I used to hear people complain that Stein sat at a table with Putin and I assumed it was at a charity event or state dinner but it turns out she was a special guest for the 10th anniversary of the Russian state funded TV propaganda network RT in Moscow.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] flta@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago (20 children)

This is implying Jill Stein doesn’t know she is helping Republicans with her failed 3rd party run.

[–] MedicatedMaybe@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Girl is getting paid to help them for sure.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wow, her chance of winning is so high. And won't tip the results toward the right wing at all And pigs have wings

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 23 points 11 months ago (57 children)

Something something Russian check is in the mail Jill.

Totally not running as a spoiler, nahhh. Not good ol Jill Spoiler Stein! She just wants you to Send A Message™ (at an incredibly important time that has lasting repercussions if you actually follow through.)

Here's an idea, if you actually gave a shit Jill, why not lead the charge for ranked choice voting!!! Put your damn face all over the media when it's not an election year so you can actually push for positive change. At least then you'd stand a chance and people could actually vote for you! But no, that's not the intent. The intent is to syphon votes from Democrats again.

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Green Party will always run a candidate. Just be thankful their candidate is the charmless husk of a moron that is Jill Stein.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (18 children)

As someone else mentioned, Jill is a great Green party candidate for Democrats because she sucks. She's not that young, has Russian baggage, and isn't the new face that could make the party more popular. The philosopher dude, West, seemed a bit more dangerous, but Stein being their nominee drills in the fact that there are no viable 3rd parties. The real strategy has been that of the DSA, where they promote their own candidates within the two party system. It's both realistic, and far more effective than throwing your vote away.

The only people who will vote for a known spoiler like Jill Stein are to far gone to have really been potential Biden voters.

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (6 children)

You mean the Russian puppet Jill Stein? I'm pretty sure the Republicans are already doing that one.

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[–] KinNectar@kbin.run 24 points 11 months ago (5 children)

You know what would be amazing, if a third party candidate would run and then demand policy position concessions form the Democratic nominee in exchange for dropping out, rather than running through the election and risking a Republican presidency.

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[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 22 points 11 months ago

oh fuck off, jill

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 20 points 11 months ago (24 children)

Why vote for Stein when you can directly vote for Trump? /s

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[–] halfempty@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

Been there. Done that. Not again.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Putin’s cock ain’t gonna suck itself

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is she still willing to acknowledge worries from people about phones and microwaves? Or is she supporting science this year?

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

Yet another useful idiot for #Putin.

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