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Ok I hope I won't come off as an ass here. I'm not always the most eloquent.

One thing that was quite grating on Reddit, was how most "global" subreddits were basically defaulting to the USA.

For example, people would ask questions in general question subs - "Can I legally...?" ”Is a teacher allowed to...?", "How much does it cost to...?" and unless they specify the country, you were just supposed to assume it's the US, with people from other countries keeping such questions to specific subs.

And this is just a bit weird to non-Americans who always need to specify their jurisdiction or place when it's relevant.

On Reddit it kinda made sense as Americans were almost half of all users, but with Lemmy, anyone can run an instance from wherever.

There is a bunch of instances dedicated to countries or regions.

But Lemmy.world has "world" right there in the title. So don't assume everyone is from the same place as you.

Don't get me wrong, I do love the global community! But I also don't want to get confused and make assumptions.

So all I ask is some of these things:

  • If you're asking the global community a question, making a comment etc., that is specific to some area(s) of the world, always specify the place, even if it seems self-explanatory.

  • Similarly, when using generic terms such as "congress", "conservative", "west coast" or "health insurance", keep in mind that lots of countries have those too in some form or another. Specify what you're talking about.

  • Careful with names of places, especially abbreviation. By CA, do you mean Canada or California? Is IN India or Indiana? Is SD an SD card? UK is an university now? And so on. I personally think abbreviation should default to countries or global organizations, if anything - such as UK, EU, UN.

  • When creating/managing a community, use the Display Name to specify what you mean. (I won't call anyone out but I kinda want to...)

  • If you see someone making these assumptions, maybe let them know it can be confusing for the others.

  • Consider using (or creating) an instance or community that's more region-specific or interest-specific . I don't want to kick anyone out, don't get me wrong, but everyone can subscribe everywhere, so...

I've seen instances for many countries (and the US midwest)... But not one for USA as a whole yet. So, just keep in mind the community is global.

Again, sorry if I come off harsh, it's not my intent, and I don't even mean to call out people from the US specifically. It's just that on Reddit, this has often lead to some toxicity (r/USDefaultism and some other "defaultism" subs) and it would be a shame to bring that here as well.

And you know, just to try to avoid confusion.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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[–] autumnplains@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It’d be really great to not have to translate from Fahrenheit and the imperial system too.

I always used to state both on Reddit. It’d be nice if people could think about doing that too…you know, given how many more people use Celsius/metric. No shade ❤️ it just gets annoying that it’s the default.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Imagine if the conversion of US to SI would finally start on Lemmy

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[–] Pekka@feddit.nl 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great post. I absolutely agree, this was always a bit weird on reddit. I have seen people getting flamed on PC building subreddits for considering components that were expensive in the US (but where relatively cheaper here in the EU).

It would be great if we can really keep Lemmy a global community!

[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And vice versa. Someone ridiculed me on Reddit for saying CPUs were still extortionately expensive, until I showed them that the CPU they were referencing cost over double the US price here in Sweden :/

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[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Careful with names of places, especially abbreviation. By CA, do you mean Canada or California? Is IN India or Indiana? Is SD an SD card? UK is an university now? And so on. I personally think abbreviation should default to countries or global organizations, if anything - such as UK, EU, UN.

Last year, or the year before, I was on a private Discord server. Some new user just logged in, and I asked them "Where are you from?", and they replied "I'm from Cali." I thought to myself "Wonderful, a Colombian dude whom I can speak in Spanish with", until some other user asked "How is the weather in Los Angeles?". Dude, to me Cali is not California, but a Colombian town.

This is written by a Spanish user.

[–] z500@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the time my dad met someone with a thick southern accent who said he was from LA - Lower Alabama

[–] MarsRT@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

LA can mean a lot of things depending on the context which you usually won't get unless you know some background information about somebody, that's a great example.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

See, to me that speaks to a lack of awareness. I live 30 minutes from a town called Dublin. But if someone on the internet starts talking about "Dublin", I'm going to assume the city in Ireland, not the town near me.

[–] LoFi-Enchilada@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cali is the actual name of the Colombian city. "Cali” is, as @jcb2016_, said, just a ghetto way of saying "California".

In any case, the lack of awareness comes from whoever defaults everything to the USA.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cali, Colombia: 2.2 million residents

California: 39.2 million residents, not to mention much more recognizable in the broader English and Spanish speaking culture

It's not "just" a ghetto way of saying California, it's a very common phrase across the English speaking world, like saying "US" instead of "United States". You didn't recognize it. That's fine. You don't have to be offended by it. Next time you'll know.

To me this says you're intentionally looking for something to get offended about. Most people would go "ha, funny mixup" and then move on with their life.

[–] LoFi-Enchilada@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"See, to me that speaks to a lack of awareness." and now "To me this says you’re intentionally looking for something to get offended about.”

Nice way of going around life just making wild assumptions about everything so your imagination carving for drama gets pleased, but no one is getting remotely offended. Plus you’re wrong, ask any Spanish speaking person where Cali is and they’ll say Colombia.

Illuminate me with your logic then… If I say I’m from Mexico, am I from New Mexico USA since it’s much more recognizable in the broader “English and Spanish speaking culture”? Or am I from Mexico City since it has more residents?

But all righty then, let’s just inherit the Reddit way and dismiss this entire thread (buncho’ offended foreigners looking to get offended, pshh...), and just default every conversation, place, name, and topic to the USA. 👍

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[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The weird part here is that when stumbling into a bunch of strangers online, the logical thing to start with would be the country, and not a slang name of one state.

Imagine someone on CoD tells you they're from Gròśč, you'd probably be like wut?

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[–] jcb2016_@mastodon.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Ignacio @WhoRoger I'm from Cali and yes it's ghetto way of saying California. It's a California thing 😁

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[–] ott@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wish people would learn and use the ISO 3166 codes for their area. For example, US-DC, GB-LND, AU-ACT, etc. Unambiguous, easy to look up, short to write, etc. Just takes a super quick search. I know it'll never happen, but standards are great!

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem with standards is that they are named shit like ISO 3166. The standardization organizations went to far and standardized the naming of standards.

It should be something like "globally unique area codes", which also makes a nice acronym.

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[–] Merthin1234@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I 100% agree! As someone from the US I always disliked that even subs which were supposed to be global would default to being US subs unless the poster specified. I too love the idea of a global community and I think that assuming where someone is from kind of takes away from that.

[–] Cheez@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally why /r/worldnews was created and why its #1 rule was no US news, because /r/news (a global news subreddit at the time) was so dominated by internal US news.

[–] artillect@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

That's not true, /r/worldnews and /r/news were created on the same day, and /r/worldnews is actually 3 hours older than /r/news

[–] animist@lemmy.one 26 points 1 year ago

As a non-American I really appreciate this

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree. I may be guilty of it, being from the u.s. and all, but I try to make effort to add detail for global community when it comes to location-based topics.

It's crazy how big u.s. is, it can't help but default, plus we're largely idiots here lmao.

Ask me to convert 1 foot to millimeters...ain't happening without a chart lol. Damn public education system!!!!

I'm gonna make a conscious effort everyone.

[–] dot20@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

1 foot is roughly .3 meters (which is 300 millimeters) :)

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As long as we can avoid the following incredibly common and incredibly frustrating exchange:

Person 1: here is how a thing works

Person 2: you're totally wrong, it doesn't work like that at all

Person 1: yes it does, here's an example

Person 2: no it doesn't, here's a personal anecdote

Person 1: I'm at a loss to explain your weird anecdote because that's really not how it's supposed to work at all

Person 2: that's how it always works for me, you must be dumb

Person 1: look, here's the proof from the people who invented the thing

Person 2: oh, well they don't do it like that in my country.

Typically, person 1 is from a large country that, in the context of the broader discussion, it can reasonably be assumed they were referring to that country. Like in a thread about Tesla, talking about laws of the road, for example. It's a totally reasonable assumption to make that the context is the US. Tesla is a US company, most Teslas are sold in the US, etc. Person 2 is from Italy or something. I can understand why person 1 would just assume they're both talking about the US, though it would be better to clarify. I cannot fathom why person 2 would assume they're both talking about Italy.

Or say, in a thread about the growth of Chinese megacities, there's a sub-conversation about marketplaces. Person 1 is talking about China. Perfectly reasonable, that's the context of the thread. Might be better to clarify but it's still perfectly reasonable to assume the context is China. But person 2 is for some crazy reason assuming the context is South Africa, or can't fathom that other places have different styles of marketplace vendors than South Africa.

The only thing I can imagine is that person 2 is like 13 years old and has no concept of life outside of wherever they grew up.

[–] Andreas@feddit.dk 16 points 1 year ago

On the internet, Person 2 is more often than not the American. And they get upset when others assume a non-American perspective, even though non-Americans are expected to be considerate. That's what this post is trying to discourage, Americans acting like their country is the default and there must be a "special context" to speak from a non-American perspective. The Tesla example isn't even good because they're sold worldwide.

[–] animist@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

The only thing I can imagine is that person 2 is like 13 years old and has no concept of life outside of wherever they grew up

I feel like this is it 90% of the time

[–] ultimate_question@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Spot on, if the lower volume of content on lemmy means I don't have to see these kind of pointless interactions as much it will be worth it lol

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Some of these comments are ironic or trolling lmao.

English is used as an in-between language for many people. Other countries that exist also use English still exist. Australians can use lemmy. Canadians can use lemmy. People in the UK can use lemmy. So on, and so on.

Imo, those comments say more about the person who is upset. Variety is good, and communication is good. Assumptions lead to a lack of information, and that can make you look really silly. I'm not going to read CA on a Canadian instance and immediately think of California. An Australian reading on an Australian instance probably won't assume that WA refers to Washington. Clarification is important, and someone asking for it really shouldn't be all that offensive. The world is a big place, people.

[–] BlueForestDev@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought the same thing today lol
Some /m/worldnews thread and the topics was 'Texas installs panic buttons for classrooms'...yeah nice 'world'news. I guess when your whole world is the US

[–] kresten@feddit.dk 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tb fair, not as an American, when is something world news? The news has to have an origin. Though panic buttons doesn't sound new, so it probably wouldn't be worldnews

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'd say something that may have an international or global effect. Like wars, alliances, global trends, plus stuff outside politics.

Single-country news can be significant too. The Canadian wildfires are world news to me because they have close to global effect and reflect the overall climate picture. Presidential elections anywhere are too, because they effect international relations and reveal wider trends.

[–] kresten@feddit.dk 6 points 1 year ago

I agree with that definition, that sounds like world news to me too

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[–] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There are about 450 million people who speak English as their primary language. About 300 million of them are American.

If you're communicating with a stranger in English and you don't know they're nationality, the odds are heavily in favor of them being American. Like it or not, we're the default.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Except that billions of people can communicate in English, so your assumption is completely off. Not everyone speaks only one language or only uses their primary language on the global network.

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[–] gonewriting@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's actually closer to 1.5 billion TOTAL speakers of English. Most English speaking people learned it as a second language.

Edit: billion not million

[–] HotDogFingies@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

True. Additionally, the US doesn't even have an official language, English or otherwise. Americans don't have a monopoly on the language. No one does. Not even the English.

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[–] tal@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are about 450 million people who speak English as their primary language. About 300 million of them are American.

Yeah, though you gotta remember that a lot of people do use English online even though it's not their primary language. I'm American, but I frequent /r/europe on Reddit. For pretty much the majority of people there, English is a second language.

And English is kind of the global interchange language, and that's likely to continue to get more-common, so it's a phenomeon that will likely grow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers

That's ~1.45 billion people who can speak English as a first or second language. The US is the biggest single chunk of that, but it's not the majority.

[–] Mannimarco@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I knew you were American because you used "they're" instead of their

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[–] Lilkev@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm from the US, and I understand the frustration. But something to keep in mind is that reddit was built in the US, so the first users of the site were also from the US. Hence the original subreddits defaulting to the US.

At the same time, I propose that the fediverse doesn't turn into an "America Bad" circle jerk like it turned in to on reddit.

[–] pseudo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

No, it's a consequence of normies.

The original Reddit, like Slashdot, and Dig to a lesser extent, defaulted to a global community. These places started out by attracting nerds from across the globe. Nerdy communities are internationalist, and fluent in English. So there was a tacit understanding that English was simply Esperanto and that anyone could be from anywhere.

Slowly getting mainstream, Reddit started attracting randos. And American randos apparently associate English with themselves, completely lost to the fact that something like half of the planet uses it as a common language. So I sat and watched as the overall tone of the place went from a spaceship, to Chick-fil-A, Podunk.

Sauce: English as a second language and been there from the start.

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[–] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect you'll find that just in general, any global social media is going to have a lot of people who don't hold the US in very high esteem. It's not a Reddit thing.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit was >75% US users for a long time. It just wouldn't have been practical to specify the US on every post when it was almost always about the US anyways.

[–] Lilkev@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep, a lot of people don't seem to realize that. Must be US Defaultism /s

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, the Americans also seems to have to specify their jurisdiction because each state has its own laws (not to mention no standardized law enforcement).

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