What a weird way to define a dictator.
Not "he has been in power for an extended period of time in a country with a single ruling party."
But "he runs a communist country that has a different government than ours"?
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I'm not a big fan of President Biden after some consideration I've decided I do like his answer. It's nuanced, which means the Internet won't understand it, but it answered the question correctly (Yes he is) while making it clear that other countries have different styles of Government that we may not like but must accept if we want to have relations with them.
Countries with Liberal Democracies, like the United States, have no responsibility to lie about another countries style of Government to spare their feelings but we also don't need to let our distaste preclude us from talking to them.
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Probably aiming for the elderly votes or something. Then again, the guy is old himself so I don’t know.
Then again, the guy is old himself so I don’t know.
The core problem, sadly. Millennials and younger can't relate to his worldview without doing a generational-history deep dive.
I'll still vote for him if he's the frontrunner, because I don't enjoy the thought of the fascist alternative, and he's done a better job than I expected in a lot of areas, but he won't get my vote in the primaries.
In what sense is modern China a communist country?
They insist very much that they’re communist. Like, a lot. It’s even on their letterhead and business cards and website!
like the USA likes to imagine it is democratic rather than an oligarchy.
I’d argue that we’re way more democratic than they are communist. But that would be a very long and tedious argument.
This is basically the Democratic Socialist argument against China. If democracy is a prerequisite for "true socialism", then the USA is actually closer to achieving that than China.
A few things:
Democratic Socialism isn't necessarily the only democratic form of Socialism. DemSoc refers to a Socialist system with Liberal Democracy, as opposed to forms like ParEcon, Council Communism, Syndicalism, Soviet Democracy, etc.
Secondly, technically China subscribes to a form of Democracy, based on the concept of Democratic Centralism.
I personally don't think the US or China is actually very Democratic, neither are truly accountable to the will of the people. The US is slightly more democratic, but it isn't saying much.
Agree with almost everything you said, didn't mean to come off like I was saying Democratic Socialism is the only form of Socialism with Democracy. I used democratic socialism use DemSocs are a bit more prevalent.
I am always dubious of "Democratic Centralism" though, at least in mainstream ML parties. Always seems to be a way to ban factionalism and therefore any opinion dissenting from the party line.
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They think that they are. Part of marxist theory, at least traditional 'orthodox' marxist theory is that the development of a capitalist mode of production is essential to development of revolutionary consciousness in the proletariat. The CCP keeps its oligarchs on a leash. They have been allowed to prosper only as part of the rapid modernization of the Chinese economy over the last 30-40 years.
Why is that weird? Seems fairly commonplace to me. Like, not that it's necessarily correct, just not weird at all.
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I mean he literally abolished the term limits which were put in place to prevent another dictator from taking power in China.
He also has complete control over the party that controls the chinese equivalent of a congress, who then votes him into power. He won the last election with 100% of the vote, 2,952 For and 25 Absent.
Well. He is.
And I'm pretty sure Xi wouldn't deny it in private.
In private, whoever said it would be killed summarily.
Gee, I hope the Chinese dictator isn't offended.
You realize if Biden had failed to call Xi a dictator, they'd be squawking about how he was weak.
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"And if there's one thing we love, it's dictators. Just ask our biggest ally, Saudi Arabia."
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Do we really need a news article for every sentence uttered?
This headline, while accurate, puts Biden's statement in a way most likely to undermine current cooperations with China. The goal is to offend Xi and scuttle any deals reached, and if that doesn't work, at least it paints Biden as a hypocrite for working with a dictator.
It's scortched earth politics. It's not meant to be news.
at least it paints Biden as a hypocrite for working with a dictator.
The United States has generally had no problem working with anyone, including Dictators. We've only every refused to do so when their crimes grow so obscenely large that they literally cannot be overlooked.
You underestimate how much the US is willing to overlook. I think it’s more fair to say they’ll work with anyone who benefits them up until the point they become a liability.
Did anyone else see that camera on Blinken wincing when he said it?
It's gold.
I wanna see this!!
Wow. Thank you so much. Do you think Biden shouldn't have said this?
I mean he is right
He is correct in the label and completely wrong with the explanation.
And water is wet. What else?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
When asked about Biden’s latest comment at a Chinese Foreign Ministry briefing on Thursday, a spokesperson called it “extremely erroneous” and an “irresponsible political maneuver, which China firmly opposes.”
Beijing responded furiously over the summer when the president made a similar comment and compared his Chinese counterpart to “dictators” in June.
The president made that comment during an off-camera campaign reception in California, hitting Xi for being caught by surprise after the US had shot down a Chinese spy balloon that had veered off course over the United States.
“The remarks seriously contradict basic facts, seriously violate diplomatic etiquette, and seriously infringe on China’s political dignity,” the spokesperson for the foreign ministry said.
Wednesday’s comment could threaten to derail the positive energy coming out of the meeting, which Biden described earlier in the news conference as “some of the most constructive and productive discussions we’ve had.”
“Both sides should understand each other’s principles and bottom lines, not make or stir up trouble or cross boundaries, (but instead) communicate more, have more dialogue and more discussions, and handle differences and accidents calmly,” Xi said.
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I mean Biden casually bribed the Pakistan army to remove the previous government and yet he calls Pakistan a totally legit democracy even though elections still haven't happened.
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