Remember. He is a felon. That means he cannot vote in an election, but he absolutely can be elected to created laws. It's so weird thinking about that out loud.
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To be fair, allowing felons to run for office means that a leader's political enemies can't be charged with phony crimes in order to prevent them from running for office. It's a safeguard against authoritarianism.
But ironically in this case, it means someone who illegally rebeled in support of an authoritarian overthrow of democracy is given another chance to support authoritarianism.
Yeah we don't want political shenanigans to happen that easily. Looking at you, India.
Actually? He served in the military (US navy,) and took an oath to defend and uphold the constitution,
The 14th absolutely applies, and he is ineligible to hold any public office - including city-level positions.
Of course, we want him to be ineligible. Yet, there's zero legal authority that has ruled him ineligible.
Keep dreaming that it'll happen. We're truly in the "Twilight Zone" of retardedville.
The constitution has zero legal authority.
The constitution is the single highest legal authority in the US. No law may be written violating it. It sets the legal basis for the existence of the US government, describes the nature of how it is to be run, and who is eligible to hold office. It esposues rights and processes.
the entire basis of the legal system depends on the us constitution, and it's amendments, both as the guiderails and the source of authority. So when the 14th amendment, section 3 says that a person who having previously taken an oath to defend the constitution and then leads an insurrection is ineligible; they're ineligible. There's really no mincing words on that one.
Unless perhaps, you're arguing that the insurrection on jan 6 wasn't in fact, an insurrection. (perhaps you suggest they were just... tourists?). Even though their stated goal was to disrupt and stop the lawful proceedings of congress- specifically counting the votes as cast by the electoral college.
Jacob Chansley served in the US navy, therefore he's taken an oath to defend the constitution. he particapted (most... LARPishly...) in the jan 6 insurrection.
I don't disagree with you, but I would make the argument that laws only matter when they're enforced. If the law says "You can't do X" and a bunch of goons do X, what happens?
Someone backs down, or violence, probably.
So if the 14th amendment says he can't run, that only matters if it's enforced. Do you think it's going to be enforced?
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Don't worry about it too much. All a libertarian ballot is going to do is take votes away from the Republican candidate.
Bingo, the tea party basically created the "do you uphold your oath" shit to cops, they should probably know better.
Remember, he’s also a moron.
"Libertarian party endorses man who fought to install authoritarian dictatorship."
Whatever happened to the whole "Don't tread on me" slogan? Oh right. I forgot it was all bullshit.
“We want a small government! And by small we mean a permanent fascist dictator with all the power and no accountability!”
Yep. "Libertarian" is just a mask-on way of saying "I want all regulations removed so I can fully indulge my psycopathic thirst for greater and greater wealth" because if they were honest, even the most gullible middle-class voters would be escorting them to the guillotine.
I can guarantee that sleazy neoliberal circles have done the maths on the most profitable political system to back and the results were almost certainly...
- Fascism (because slaves)
- Libertarianism (because using child workers to dump toxic waste in public waterways counts as "freedom")
- Conservative neoliberalism (because you can mostly get what you want by donating bribes and don't need to worry about morality)
- "Left-wing" neoliberalism (mostly the same as above but you have to be slightly less greedy and look sad doing it)
- Progressivism (because they'd have to pay for taxes, workers and the environmental cost of their products)
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NO STEP ON SNEK!
Wage labor is already very totalitarian in principle - they determine what you wear, what you do, when you eat, when you go to the bathroom, basically it's a private government of their own, and people are selling themselves into the servitude.
Libertarianism seeks to go even further with that by removing regulations and letting free market do its thing, which, considering the first sentence of this comment, would make Libertarianism authoritarian if you're not a business owner or someone rich, and the "Don't tread on me" slogan only applies to those people.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/b0b18eb8-cf76-49c4-8708-afeba686450a.webp?format=webp
This is what became of that slogan.
Doesn’t the 14th amendment have him barred already? This seems a non issue as it can’t happen.
As far as I am aware, it has never been tested. Clearly he should not be able to run, and clearly neither should Trump, but laws only have meaning if they are enforced.
[edited:] That's what the Trump cases in MN etc are about. The MN(?) judge punted, though, and declined to say whether he was ineligible for office, saying instead, basically, that the state didn't have any rule against insurrectionists being on primary ballots.
Parties are welcome to nominate someone who might never be allowed to take office - that's a party problem, not a state problem.
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I listened to him talking on a podcast. Not just satisfied with every conspiracy theory out there, the guy makes up new ones, for example that a mall in Arizona has underground passageways to facilitate the trafficking of children.
I think authorities really need to be looking into these people that are this obsessed with child trafficking. Like yes, it's awful and we all want to stop it. But the fantasies these people come up with... If anything, it makes it harder for people and organizations that actually do give a shit and put their money where their mouth is.
Dude was in near solitary confinement for 27 months. He's really just another example of how broken the American prison system is, he comes out even more aggressive and deranged than when he went in
that's because Libertarians are nothing but trolls
They are Republicans with weed and a bigger hard on for Ayn Rand.
I am really fucking sick and tired of the Libertarian Party giving all libertarians a bad name.
For the record, not all libertarians are motherfucking an-caps. Some are leftists.
I like Penn Jillete's brand of libertarianism. He says he's a classical liberal and is pro roads, schools, libraries, social safety nets and so on. I think Ancap is an interesting mental exercise but it'd be crazy to attempt on a state or national scale. So, I don't see a place for them in national politics, currently. But I'm cool if they wanna go and start their own communes or something.
JFC I used to be a libertarian and I still agree with some of their values, but over the last 20 years they've really just become a joke. Not as much as the GOP, who intentionally associate with Cruz and MTG, but this is getting there.
It's like someone said "it can't be worse than Ted Cruz and Margie..." And the libertarian is all "hold my beer."
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Fuck
Don’t worry, once they find out he’s Vegan, he’ll be unelectable
He's just a twat in a hat
Do most U.S. Libertarians not see themselves this way?
I'm a shamanic practitioner irl and this guy's nickname pisses me off. The guy pisses me off, too. His ancestors think he's a cunt, I bet.
They embrace the right to give children heroin, too, but that doesn't mean you should ever listen to these morons.
Edit: Spelling, LOL
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