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GOLD BAR, Wash. — In Snohomish County, some residents told KIRO 7 they feel unsafe going to their local grocery store. Over the weekend, controversial photos of a cashier at Gold Bar Family Grocer appeared on social media. The photos show a man with a KKK shirt and a loaded holster checking out customers.

The shirt bears the words “I’m dreaming of a white Christmas. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.”

“The world’s a scary place right now. And Gold Bar should be a safe haven for those of us who live here,” said Gold Bar resident Lynne Kelly. “That’s crossing a line. That’s not okay.”

She believes the grocery store needs to take action. Meanwhile, fellow resident Jessica believes the man should be allowed to wear what he wants.

“Freedom of speech,” said Jessica. “Didn’t everyone fight for our freedoms for free speech so we could do what we want here? If the company’s not against it, the company’s not against it.”

We spoke with an expert on hate speech. Caitlin Carlson is a professor of communications at Seattle University and has published a book called ‘Hate Speech’.

“The KKK is a hate group,” said Carlson. “And so this messaging is very much hate speech, but it is allowed under the First Amendment.” But she adds that employers do have a right to intervene.

“If the employer wanted to tell the employee not to wear that, again, to wear a particular uniform, not to engage in potentially open carry, right, they would they would be well within their rights to do that,” said Carlson. “I would definitely be asking the employer, why it is there allowing this person to come to work and potentially offend or upset customers with this this attire?”

We spoke with the manager at Family Grocer who told us repeatedly “no comment.” They did add that they do not condone their employee’s actions.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago (4 children)

“Freedom of speech,” said Jessica. “Didn’t everyone fight for our freedoms for free speech so we could do what we want here?"

Also breaking news: Jessica is a bitch

No, freedom of speech doesn't mean "do what you want" it means the government can't tell you to shut up because it doesn't like you. Freedom of speech stops at the government: this shit head was undermining the very foundation of what America stands for by scaring anyone who doesn't look like the gunman.

If he wants to deny rights to others, let's deny him those same rights.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It seems weird that a good chunk of Americans don’t seem to know how some of the rights work.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are there to basically protect you from the government from going “hey, you can’t say that” or “hey, you can’t believe in that”. It doesn’t absolve people of facing the consequences of their choices, including spewing hate speech if they’re that kind of person. If I said “Hitler was right”, only the government can’t do anything outside of what they can already do with hate speech - but that doesn’t mean I won’t rightfully get a few teeth loose or getting shunned by people around me for saying dumb shit like that.

Strangely, I found this to be evident about some federal laws we take for granted, like minimum wage. People legit think minimum wage is meant for people starting out and not giving out money to them (which makes no sense to me) and argue when they find out the original reason it was even made was so the nuclear family could afford a home, food, and goods and services for themselves and was calculated as how they can do that with one person working a job.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, they know, or they choose to remain willfully ignorant. Besides, “Freedom of Speech” is a simple, powerful phrase, but they’re very quick to abandon it when that same power is used by their ideological enemies.

[–] Emmy4630@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago

My favorite way to put it is freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

[–] CouncilOfFriends 4 points 1 year ago

I'm sure if the shirt said "death to all white people" Jessica would quickly find a different position

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nevermind the fact that the dude isn't saying anything. It would be expression if anything and what he's expressing is support for white supremacy. I wonder if Jessica supports white supremacy 🤔

[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Legally speaking "speech" includes more types of communication than just verbal. It isn't a stretch to use the word speech in this context.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 98 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

When an employer allows what is clearly KKK hate speech by an employee on their premises, despite having the right to forbid it, it is quite reasonable to assume that employer shares that employee's support for the KKK.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The family grocer. Fuck that place. It was already kind of shitty without knowing this

[–] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Don't condone his actions...but do nothing about it. Hmm...

More armed black citizens should come to the store.

Don't buy anything. Just show up. It's a free country.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Do you want to return to 1970s polyester uniforms? Because this is how you end up with polyester uniforms.

[–] Synthuir@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

The ‘paradox of tolerance’ disappears when you realize tolerance isn’t a right but rather a mutual contract.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

In the "State of Washington, employers, both public and private, may establish workplace rules prohibiting employees from possessing firearms or any other weapons while on duty or at the workplace."

https://www.atg.wa.gov/ConcealedWeapons/FAQ.aspx#9

[–] Bluefruit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

In case anyone isnt aware, Gold Bar is a rural town in Washington so I get the gun. Wild animals in those areas is more common. The shirt tho? Nah. Theres no need for that. At that point, you're just advertising you're an asshole.

Keep that shit to yourself.

Edit:

Want to clarify like i did later in this thread.

All i meant by this comment is that open carry is more common here and that likely isnt making people uncomfortable. Its the combo of being a racist peice of shit and open carrying.

Thats all i meant.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They getting rushed by boars in the checkout line or something?

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Their butcher is really really bad.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well residents can start shopping at the other store now etc.

[–] Tujio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Is there another grocery store in Gold Bar? I think the closest is gonna be in Sultan.

[–] Bluefruit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yea i wouldn't shop there either.

[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Jesus fuck it's not THAT rural. He's entirely being a bigoted hateful asshole and intimidating others by being armed. He's wearing it to enforce the unofficial "white conservatives only" motto of the business.