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But the head of Hungary. Very tough, strong guy. Viktor Orban, did anybody ever hear him? Probably, you know, considered very powerful, very powerful within his country and outside of his country, not exactly loved by some of the European nations, because he does this thing. He didn’t allow millions of people to invade his country. He allowed nobody to invade the zero zero. He had nobody. So he doesn’t have crime and he doesn’t have the problems that they’re having in other countries where millions of people who are allowed to go in.

But they were interviewing him two weeks ago and they said, “What would you advise President Obama? The whole world seems to be exploding and imploding.”.

And he said “It’s very simple. He should immediately resign and they should replace him with President Trump, who kept the world safe.”

I didn't vote for Trump in either 2016 or 2020 but if he runs against President Barack Obama? I don't know, I'll have to think about it.

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[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 119 points 1 year ago

Trump is a liar, criminal, too old, and un-American to be president.

Stop voting for Repulicans, they don't believed in our democracy. They want to rule us from a minority.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 101 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck his cognition. He tried to overthrow our democracy to become a strongman ruler.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But a mentally incompetent strongman is even worse than a regular old strongman.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Depends. Worse at ruling, but easier to deal with. If he were smart, Jan 6th would have worked and it would've taken the military going in and cleaning out a successful coup attempt.

... Though with how the government has utterly failed to respond strongly to the inept attempt... maybe we would've been beter off if they were crushed as the seditious traitors they are.

[–] torknorggren@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Almost 700 people have pleaded guilty or have been convicted for j6. Some of the leaders, like Tarrio, are going away for a very long time. Of course it takes a long time to bring a case against Trump himself, but the narrative that nobody's facing consequences is a little disingenuous at this point. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/30-months-jan-6-attack-capitol

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A seditious traitor that took and sold government secrets has not seen prison for over three years and his upper cohorts in Congress have similarly been allowed a completely free ride.

Let's not pretend that just because there are consequences present that they are the correct and appropriate ones... (note: I'm not saying they are not guilty. I'm saying there is A LOT of guilt being openly ignored)

[–] grue@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dang, it really is always projection, isn't it? Even the "Biden is senile" rhetoric!

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Always. From calling others violent perverts, to attacks on political rivals, to threats. If a conservative threatens or accuses you of something, it’s often an admission of guilt or fear.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ech@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The "old mob boss trick" is projection

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"But voters are soooo worried about Biden's age and his stutter"

-- The both-siderist "liberal media".

[–] UnknownHandsome@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no such thing as "liberal" media. All media is owned by corporation that is piloted by a billionaire. Who's ideas do you think they match up to? That's right, Conservatives. Because billionaires can get anything they want, laws are to keep us poors in check. Our whole system is run by oligarchs and we are all fighting "the media" instead of fighting those pricks.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

...hence the scare quotes.

[–] frustratedphagocytosis@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How does resign and replace even make sense? It's not as if there's no vice president to take over. Did no one tell him that or did he forget what happened with Nikon?

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Did no one tell him that or did he forget what happened with Nikon?

What happened with Nikon? Was Canon involved?

[–] ___f____g___@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No no, the Nikon incident at the waterslide hotel isn't Canon because it comes from the expanded universe novels that were published before Disney+ bought LucasArts.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Where was Nikon during the Bowling Green massacre?

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does everyone exclude Olympus?? Its like Nikon/Canon are the only two options. Olympus makes some slick stuff, their 4:3rds mirrorless digital cameras are cool as hell.

Canon petewy

[–] Glitchington@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Olympus cameras are great, I love how compact my setup is. Sony serve up a similar system but for APS-C or Full Frame sensors too.

Fucking autocorrect

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope Leica isn't involved...

[–] nrezcm@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That Minolta fellow is acting awfully sus.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Especially after being introduced to Konica

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] pirat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Konica Minolta was formed by a merger between Japanese imaging firms Konica and Minolta, announced on 7 January 2003 [...]

Wikipedia: Konica Minolta

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He doesn't understand what comes out of his own mouth. He just says random demented stuff and his audience cheers for it.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump is a poorly trained LLM.

[–] boeman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SHSLM - Small Handed, Shitty Language Model

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

He is doing what the right wing says Biden does.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"Flubs" I think are the absolutely least interesting thing* in politics, that people just love to focus on.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But this isn’t just a simple flub, it’s a non-small collection of examples that speaks to his mental stability. Furthermore he and his morons have been attacking Biden for being old and unfit, so it’s apt to take that and turn it around on him because it’s always projection.

Boiling this down to simple flubs is reductive and harmful in this context

[–] dx1@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Got your reply and had to scroll back up to remember if this post was about Biden or Trump...

Honestly I can't remember an election cycle in the last 20 years where somebody didn't say something stupid and people tried to turn it into a question about their mental fitness. It's part of the excruciating minutia of examining every mole and freckle on the body of political candidates to see if they're qualified for a job that shouldn't even exist in the first place. The blind fixations of American politics on the personality of candidates who are basically universally betraying them years before they even get into office.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's very boring, but also I think reasonably important to share. His followers don't really care about ideas or events. You can be as high minded as you want, but you won't change their minds with it. It's the reason why Trump, and then his followers, use nicknames for everyone. It's the lowest level of engagement, but you have to engage them where they're at, not where you'd like them to be.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

There's also the small matter of the trump camp, for some unfathomable reason, deciding to call attention to mental sharpness and clarity of speech/articulation of ideas as a barometer of a good president.

Of course they do this because they want to show how lacking Biden is in that area and criticize his age.

But I guess none of them have bothered to see how their own, vaunted champion stacks up in that department.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The higher minded you are, the more you anger them actually. They don't like to hear ideas. They don't like to consider they might be wrong.

They'll just shut down and call you a socialist or something.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Highlight the mistakes Trump makes that Biden has made. A lot of them are pretty similar, and it'll cause some dissonance.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you're going to be dealing with them on that level of engagement as long as you don't correct it. And as long as they are, they're gonna be subject to the same kinds of manipulation that they are now.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't really change someone who is unwilling to change.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think that's true. Our mentalities change throughout our entire lives because of events and information we never anticipated.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's true for those of us willing to change. If you refuse to admit anything you've done is wrong and refuse to accept that any thought you've had is incorrect, how are you going to change? Those people exist, and their opinions won't be swayed to academic arguments, but their votes still count as much as anyone's.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn't matter if you're willing to change, the world changes you anyway, that's what I'm saying. If you're talking about persuading people, that's a question of technique. I'm not gonna pretend I'm great at that, I have a pretty short temper, but there are ways.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I thought we were back on the issue where he was ostensibly unaware that he lost the 2020 election and thought he was still president. Fortunately that's been cleared up for him now, right?

Right?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I find it a bit more alarming that he's acting as if Orban has valuable advice than forgetting Obama isn't president and that he never ran against him. Well, it would be alarming if I didn't already see him as a fascist.

Edit: fixed a word

It tells us a lot about whoever wrote that speech and is planning to run a Trump Whitehouse.

The Zero Zero is my new band name.