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submitted 11 months ago by eclipxe@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

It's been a long journey, but here we arrive. Welcome home.

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[-] Hellebert@beehaw.org 62 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tried the official Reddit app today and boy people weren't joking when they say it sucks. I thought it'd just be the usual experience plus some ads but I was totally wrong.

The official app doesn't respect your subreddit subscriptions at all, instead force feeding you feeds of whatever their algorithm thinks will drive maximum engagement just like a shit version of Facebook does. The "hot" etc functional is completely stipped from it entirely.

Guess I'm here to stay on the fediverse now.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@beehaw.org 26 points 11 months ago

What absolutely sucks about this is that I had carefully curated my subscriptions in order not to exacerbate my dumb mental health issues.

Hell, I've read angry posts about people in recovery from addiction and alcohol saying how they keep seeing ads for beer or gambling and things like that.

It's horrifying!!

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[-] Dan_Rachevaski@beehaw.org 20 points 11 months ago

you don't mention the copious, copious amounts of ads and sponsored contents

wow thanks reddit, you are more and more Facebook-like now, congratulations.

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[-] knova@links.dartboard.social 60 points 11 months ago

I think even calling it Lemmy is not the right move. Yeah, Lemmy is the server software running on a bunch of instances. But we also have kbin, and new softwares will pop up and fork and come and go over time. Once we can do some kind of account or community level migration, it won't matter whether you are on Lemmy or kbin or the next great thing. Everything will be federated so it will inter-op beautifully. If an unfriendly instance admin comes along, we can collectively cut and run with minimal interruption.

Thats still a way off from where we are now but the hard step was getting to the Fediverse in the first place. So, welcome to the newcomers among us.

[-] FiskFisk33@lemmy.one 34 points 11 months ago

this is the future nerds like me have been imagining since the early 2000's

[-] norb@infosec.pub 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Laughs in BBS or

Laughs in Newgroups

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[-] melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 11 months ago

I think the concept of the Fediverse is still really alien to people, even the people who are using it. Everyone is still so used to their centralized platforms, so they still think of the Fediverse in terms of platforms rather than as a whole.

You still hear people say "Mastodon" to mean the microblogging corner of the Fediverse even if they're not actually on Mastodon, and now people say "Lemmy" to mean the link aggregation corner of the Fediverse even if not everyone is actually on Lemmy.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

I recently found and like the term "threadiverse" for reddit-like federated software

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[-] BeHereNow@beehaw.org 14 points 11 months ago

undefined> calling it Lemmy is not the right move.

Spankin' new here, so what do I know, but while the semantics might not be completely accurate, that is not an uncommon occurrence. And Lemmy sounds personal, with a bit of a Motorhead edge to it.

Maybe we'll all be called Lemmies web slinging in the Fediverse one day.

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[-] koze@feddit.de 55 points 11 months ago

It's funny to read this article about the death of Digg again:

In reality, Digg changed their business model and pretended that they didn’t. That is something that is unacceptable with communities and won’t be forgotten. Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian hit the nail on the head in an open letter to (now former) Digg CEO – Kevin Rose:

“You chose to grow with venture capital and you’ve no doubt (I hope) taken some money off the table in your Series C round. I say this because this new version of digg reeks of VC meddling. It’s cobbling together features from more popular sites and departing from the core of digg, which was to “give the power back to the people.”

https://searchengineland.com/digg-v4-how-to-successfully-kill-a-community-50450>

[-] SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl 18 points 11 months ago
[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

At least Ohanian is married to Serena, and left reddit 10 years ago. Spez (aka Steve Huffman) is a fucking piece of shit that betrayed both of his co-founders

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[-] Luxsidus@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Sadly, this is the only logical conclusion of things that are run for profit. Here's hoping the federated model proves more resistant in the long run.

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[-] tezoatlipoca@lemmy.ca 37 points 11 months ago

You're missing the precursors:

Email -> Newsgroups -> CGI forums / IRC -> Slashdot... :)

The new Fediverse really is kicking up IRC and newsgroup vibes for this old timer. Its very exciting.

[-] cstine@lemmy.uncomfortable.business 15 points 11 months ago

As a really old person, I was thinking today the vibe was unlike anything I've felt since Fidonet ;)

[-] tet42@ka.tet42.org 11 points 11 months ago

Lots of similarities between Lemmy and FIDOnet. I’ve been saying this to anyone that will listen.

[-] ASCIIansi@infosec.pub 12 points 11 months ago

If we're including those then I think we have gone full circle and are back in the safe waters of protocols

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[-] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 33 points 11 months ago

for me it was just

reddit --> Lemmy

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[-] carewornalien@whata.clusterfsck.com 32 points 11 months ago

The Fediverse seems like an interesting idea, but I hope it actually holds together.

[-] mobyduck648@beehaw.org 18 points 11 months ago

The bar for being Reddit circa 2010 isn’t that high to be fair, I know expectations have changed but Reddit was down intermittently for years to the point I’m amazed it got the traction it did in hindsight. People talk about Lemmy having tankies on it as though early Reddit didn’t have some even worse unsavoury subs and users too.

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[-] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 17 points 11 months ago

I imagine as Mastodon and Lemmy pick up more users, we'll see a lot of activity and improvements in the underlying tech of the fediverse. Should be a fun ride, especially since it's in the hands of the community.

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[-] cap_net_admin@beehaw.org 27 points 11 months ago

If you still have a Reddit account, unsub all the subreddits that are refusing to participate in a strike.

[-] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Fucking scabs

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It'll be great to see more people showing up on Lemmy.

[-] nii236@lemmy.jtmn.dev 23 points 11 months ago

People are so confused and overwhelmed about the fediverse mechanics though.

Maybe there is room for a product that is an aggregator for aggregators. Like, a centralised service that scrapes and collects all Lemmy instances into one super instance.

[-] hal@sopuli.xyz 17 points 11 months ago

Its actually simple. Tell them, its like Email. You have an email account at gmail, but can perfectly fine have email conversation with someone on outllook. Lemmy instance = the same as a web email interface of any email provider. Most people will get their head around that.

[-] fennec@feddit.de 13 points 11 months ago

As soon as you have to explain the fediverse to someone using analogies my experience is that most people have already given up. They just can’t be bothered to learn something new.

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[-] david@quo.ink 21 points 11 months ago

So many long forgotten relics and old friends lost to time.

bbs, usenet, irc, aol chat rooms, aim/icq/msn messenger (by the way, anyone remember Trillian?), geocities web-rings, various phpBB forums (shoutout neopages), oekaki drawing boards, livejournal, stumbleupon,

[-] chaoticPuppies@beehaw.org 12 points 11 months ago

Trillian! I paid for the multi-messenger functionality too!

IRC is not dead. Since rexxit began I have started really searching for programming/data science/tech communities. I have found more than I know what to do with and many have an IRC. I just installed Pidgin on one of my Linix machines. Ha! What a time to be alive.

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[-] stn@infosec.pub 19 points 11 months ago

There was del.icio.us as well!

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[-] Breakpr0d@aussie.zone 16 points 11 months ago

I realise that this is unpopular. But personally while I disagree with the decision to charge (exorbitantly) for the api and appalled at the slander hurled at the dev, I think that is an business choice and one more item that I have to disagree and live with.

But I am very excited about the rise of the fediverse. I know that a company will eventually make a decision that I feel very passionately about, but I will be stuck making a difficult choice. With the fediverse, it provides the users with the opportunity to have control. This power of course often comes with various other costs (lack of a dedicated sre or moderation teams, etc). But I expect that over time this will evolve into options where paid offerings will come up that allows for higher QoS where required.

[-] totallynotsocsa@beehaw.org 22 points 11 months ago

Honestly, if spez hadn't already sold the site to white supremacists, I'd be a lot quicker to defend this.

[-] itty53@vlemmy.net 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The api changes really were about protecting their gold mine of data from ai data models scraping for data. Reddit wants to use that data to create its own models and then replace moderators with those models. The ultimate goal here is to turn the existing dataset into an automoderator on steroids that they could sell anywhere. Trouble is someone else is going to beat them to it.

There was a reason these changes lined up so nicely with Google doing the same thing. Everyone's realizing they've been spouting their gold from firehoses for any machine to pick up, and they're being reactionary and turning them off asap instead of just like, accepting it as a facet of having a public social network.

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[-] thunderbird32@fedia.io 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For me, Slashdot->Digg->Reddit->Kbin (Fediverse)

We've moved once, we can move again

[-] l0st_scr1b3@beehaw.org 15 points 11 months ago

Gonna be honest it's kinda weird to me as someone who did just move over that there's a bunch of posts from people who just found the Fediverse claiming it as home while there's people who have been here since it's creation. It's got the implication that this was created as some sort of next jump from Reddit which doesn't really seem to be the case from my perspective.

[-] hadrian@beehaw.org 14 points 11 months ago

I see what you mean to an extent, and I also just moved over, but it's worth remembering that Digg -> Reddit was the same afaik. Like Reddit had been around and established for a decent amount of time before the fall of Digg. (This is second-hand info because I wasn't around at the time)

[-] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've been on reddit for a couple years before the flood from Digg. The quality of content and especially comments went down right then, and never recovered.

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[-] Cobe98@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Same fucking journey as you. Reddit was a good run for 10 years, let's see if Lemmy can work.

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[-] ellabella@beehaw.org 13 points 11 months ago

The one true constant for me is 4chan 😅

[-] amki@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago

I kinda grew out of it. It was funny when I was an edgy teenager but it got progressively more cringeworthy as time progressed for me, even though the content may not have changed much.

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[-] Spitfire@pawb.social 13 points 11 months ago

Time for a new start.

Though Lemmy is very new, it’ll be exciting to see it grow over time.

[-] h14h@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Digg -> Reddit -> Lemmy

After experiencing the death of two "power to the people" platforms due to profit-driven VC-backed corporate meddling, here's hoping the third platform is the charm Lemmy & the fediverse.

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[-] Ecksell@lemmy.one 12 points 11 months ago

Such is life, nothing lasts forever. I could think of a good song for this, but nothing comes to mind yet as Im enjoying watching that Twitch counter of closed subreddits counting up nonstop.

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[-] Rawmill@beehaw.org 11 points 11 months ago

yeah - usenet has to be in there, as well as The Register

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[-] Thorned_Rose@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago

I now have the Enterprise theme song stuck in my head 😅

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[-] ZeroCarbon@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

My only problem is that we are in 2023 and we still need to read a bunch of text. Why can't we have holograms and a sexy AI whispering us the comments?

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[-] MobBarley@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago

Renegade BBSes -> IRC -> slashdot -> digg -> reddit -> imgur -> discord -> mastadon with plenty of side quests along the way

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