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[–] YourFavouriteNPC@feddit.de 163 points 1 year ago (15 children)

So where are we at right now?

"We didn't bomb the hospital, Hamas did. And even if we bombed the hospital, Hamas used it as a base. And even if they didn't, a some of them were in there. And even if they weren't, there were Hamas tunnels under the hospital."

I wonder what's next

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago

"The hospital was never bombed. All the pictures are fake, all the victims are crisis actors."

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"The civilians there deserved to be bombed because they supported Hamas"

Wait, didn't we do that one already?

[–] Inky@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

They were enemy combatants because they were within bombing radius of an enemy combatant. That was the American logic in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to print more humane-looking civilian casualty numbers

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Step the Last: YOU'RE AN ANTISEMITIC ASSHOLE!

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[–] Toldry@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.

The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base

They're two different hospitals

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now that Israel is openly bombing hospitals I don't think it's unreasonable to assume they lied about the ~~al-Shifa hospital.~~ oop it was Al-Ahli hospital I can't keep all of these atrocities straight!

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 130 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Tantura in 1948

There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Khan Yunis in 1956

Israel never needed an excuse they just need a lie to sell to the rest of the world now that everyone is watching

[–] itsmeholland@mastodon.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@PanArab @ira Hamas wasn't founded until THE 80s. Wtf do people think was happening for the first 40 years lmao 🤦 You literally can't blame everything on Hamas, they didn't even exist for half the time.

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[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The simplest explanation is that if Israel knew where Hamas is, they would have taken them out before any attack by Hamas. They don't know.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they kill more than 4000 children? Would they have done the same if the kidnappers were anywhere else in the world? What makes killing over 10,000 civilians a fair trade?

The purpose of this war on Gaza is ethnic cleansing.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It doesn't make it a fair trade. My point is they have no idea who they are targeting, or they would have been doing targeted take downs before the conflict.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Collective punishment is a war crime. Having a 90% death rate being civilians is a war crime. Targeting hospitals, schools, water wells, aid trucks and bakeries is a war crime.

They said so themselves. The intent is ethnic cleansing. They have said as much that the goal is to depopulate the Gaza Strip. They have called Palestinians “human animals”.

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's almost like an occupied populace is in itself an inbuilt insurgency for the obvious reasons.

Oddly enough a lesson not learned from WW2.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup, thermobarics make tunnels deathtraps and Israel certainly has the thermobarics we sold them.

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

Seems like they learned from uncle sam how to empire.

[–] Bassman27@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder how quick world leaders will backtrack their support for genocide once more misinformation is disproven…

My bet is that we will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's nuts to me how there was a recent poll showing Biden taking a hit in swing states, presumably because of the wide and unprecedented public support for Palestinian freedom, and how the reaction among some liberals is turning in to, "Biden's support for genocide is bad now because Trump could win again." Criticizing the US supporting the genocide, through the spectacle of partisan politics, turns in to, "this is how you get another Trump victory." Instead of vocalizing the disapproval, it's like "don't say anything because it could help Trump."

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[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

shocked Pikachu face

Who could have foreseen Israel lying?

[–] NAXLAB@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The video apparently states that this info is 8 years old and doesn't really prove either way, whether hamas was digging tunnels under the hospital.

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

No tunnels but surprise Saddam Hussien!

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of these days the IDF is gonna fuck up and accidentally tell the truth.

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[–] Kalinus@lemmings.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To the shock of probably 1 pro isreal tech bro

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[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

Blowing up hospitals for god

[–] mercury@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I genuinely don't care about Hamas anymore, they're symptoms of a greater evil, Israel is directly responsible for the radicalization of those people, because of the horrific conditions Palestinians are put in.

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[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

However, Sanad’s investigation shows that this is simply the access hatch for a water reservoir that the hospital uses to fill therapeutic pools for amputees, water the grounds, and a reserve water source in case of emergency.

Sanad analysed satellite footage and archives of the hospital’s construction and spoke to one of the original engineers who built it.

It's pretty in depth.

However I have two problems with this logic.

  1. Israel did not confirm the existence of tunnels at that location, which would have been an easy thing to do with a camera and 2 minutes.

  2. This isn't exactly proof that those areas weren't repurposed for tunnels. Just that what Israel thought was a tunnel was not. Which is more of a problem of how the Israel military is assuming too much and bombing people in the process. While processing their assumptions like fact.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Their "proof" was a 3d render with tunnel systems throughout the entire hospital so no matter where they blew up, it was valid. They even had weapons on walls and red barrels so you know it was a bad guy base.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Where's the video of the IDF or Netanyahu going over a 3D rendering of a hospital to explain how the Hamas tunnels may be underneath key infrastructure buildings?

The propaganda coming out of the IDF justifying their next move is always so insanrly ridiculous. But I guess if there's now videos coming out of how and where these tunnels are, the IDF might find some more accuracy in their violence.

[–] Toldry@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.

The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base.

They're two different hospitals.

In other words, it is so far uncontested that there is a Hamas base under the al-Shifa hospital (which is the main hospital in Gaza).

[–] TheCrispyDud@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (55 children)

The fact that we have to specify which of the hospitals they've blown up really sucks.

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