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Don't be a vote connoisseur here please. Redefine how you think about voting and participating.

Do you miss your communities from elsewhere. Well guess what, you are that core community now. If you want it back, the only thing holding you back is you. Don't wait on someone else to start posting. You don't need to worry about the perfect polished quality of your content or if it has been done before elsewhere. The current bar is, umm, poorly defined. No one is judging you. Call it practice. EVERY time you see something interesting, get in the habit of posting it please. Maybe go out of your way to grab a reference or two and post them.

Along these lines, think of how unsure and uncomfortable this may seem to most of us former lurker connoisseurs. You can play hard and thick skinned all you want, but you know exactly what post or comment you posted elsewhere that got the most votes or interaction. Why? Because it matters to you. So upvote everything you can. It matters to someone else too. Don't upvote just for the value or interest you have in the content. Do it just to say "hey, thanks for making the effort to participate and make this place a few lines longer." Please rethink how you handle voting, at least for now, think of a down vote as FU for participating, no votes as I wish you weren't here. We are all likely accustomed to a lot more interaction and validation in our own little niches. This is really an underpinning value of social media, we are here to engage with people, so tell people who are new and unsure about a new and different place, "hey, thanks for participating." You may not know or really appreciate their interests, but you can help us grow a core that can evolve into your favorite niches as the community grows. You are the core community. We can all make it grow if we make it a place people want to be.

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[–] Dabadoo@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the encouragement and normalization words. I’m maybe the lurkiest lurker ever, but I absolutely can and do upvote!

[–] Universe1@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Lurkiest lurker… i like that and laughed ! Up arrow for you!!

[–] croobat@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, we just need a bit more of a push. I think some people may be a bit too fixated on reaching Reddit's numbers; we really don't need to. I don't care if the top comment has 50 upvotes instead of 50,000, what I want is more comments, more posts, more experts in a field sharing their invaluable opinions.

Obviously it will take some time to reach the level of granularity some subreddits have. Like, we have a design sub, a good design sub, an ashole design sub, a crappy design sub (which is like asshole design, but unintentional), a design design sub (for awful designs that are also somehow aesthetic)... And all this without going into specific design subs (web design, brand design, structure design...). Yeah, we may not have all those for a while, we enthusiasts may all have to interact in a general Lemmy Design community, but guess what? That is how Reddit got where it is now.

Personally, I am enjoying the process. I've been lurking Reddit for years, reading awesome posts, and informing myself on all kinds of topics from people I won't ever begin to compare to. But Lemmy, for the moment, feels more intimate to me, I am starting to recognize specific nametags, to interact with real human beings (not a sentient blob of like-minded thoughts). It feels like being at a bonfire enjoying the moment with a couple of people, and I think that by itself has it's own charm.

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I kinda like it. Reddit can feel disconnected, comment and move on kind of thing. I'm curious where this is in say a year. I will miss my smaller intimate communities, but this is one general intimate community so it works.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This feels like when you find a really good smaller streamer and can actually talk to people in the chat and make good friends with some and become part of a cool community where every voice is heard... before the streamer hits it big and the chat scroll is so fast you can't even see your message among the omega luls and kappas and pogchamps and kkonas and the streamer can't possibly respond to anything because there's just too much garbage

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[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This moment is beautiful. People are understandably looking forward and hoping that they can recreate all of their niche communities. But I'm just enjoying this moment in time where we have a group of people figuring everything out together and trying to build something better than what we had. Even if Lemmy does get hugely successful, it'll never again feel like it does at this moment, when all of the users care so much about being positive contributors.

[–] Bubbles@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yep, that's exactly how I feel too and you said it beautifully! I've been through this with a handful of platforms at this point and somehow it never feels any less bittersweet, :').

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for your thoughts. I hope this continues to develop and becomes a stable and positive community. It will never be reddit. The sooner people realize this as a positive, the better.

The first step to being a part of the community is participation. The smallest form of participation is a vote. With a tiny community, posting without social engagement lacks the positive feedback needed to be self sustainable. Getting past the point of critical mass where we are more than sustainable is absolutely critical right now. The best way to influence this, and lower the critical mass threshold is to encourage people to boost/bolster engagement, especially in niche areas of critical importance to those willing to post. Increasing the volume and categories encourages more specialization and adoption.

So the most important aspect right now is simply getting people to upvote, and as many as possible to post

[–] ZeroCarbon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It will never be reddit.

Thank god, it turned into a chaotic toxic mess.

[–] Pat12@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's difficult is finding this website in the first place, most people don't understand terms like instances and all the server details, it would have been fine to just share this main link and tell people to recreate communities

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There is a bit of a learning curve, but it is not terrible. Based on the growth numbers so far over the last few days a small competence filter may be a good thing IMO. Maybe it will be too much for the most negative potential users to overcome.

I know I should read about all this more, but I'm just gonna jump right in and figure out how to comment and post on my own. I still have no idea what an instance is, but atleast I've found communities and I even posted a few comments so I seem to be doing just fine lol

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[–] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m really glad I found this place. I’ll do my best to spread it and be active

[–] velourium_camper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] akaxaka@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Never has a user name been more appropriate

[–] OldIndianMonk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] LemmyAccount1@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can we troll and be a dick here too?

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The rules for Ruud's Mastodon server apply here until a formal page is written.

https://mastodon.world/about

[–] noob@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That’s the whole point

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[–] MR_GABARISE@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try sorting by new and boosting genuine efforts.

[–] Skelectus@suppo.fi 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have noticed that sorting by new is pretty much required here if you want to see something, eh, new.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sad but true.

I think the basic functionality is working great, but it needs a critical mass of people. Next few weeks and the June 30 shutdown will make or break.

[–] el_doso@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ooh what's June 30? I've only heard of the one starting tomorrow so far

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

That’s when most of the 3rd party apps are shutting down, same as the start of big new API fees.

[–] Springtime@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

The major apps have announced to shut down on June 30th.

It's expected that there'll be a major influx of former app users - if they haven't left reddit already

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[–] kxravezz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried that but sorting by new is almost unusable. After a few seconds it starts loading new posts at the top and then everything moves, and keeps moving. You can't read something if it doesn't stand still.

[–] Skelectus@suppo.fi 6 points 1 year ago

lemmy.world users have subbed too many places! Guess it's a "good" problem and something that can be fixed.

[–] _ice_witch_@lemmy.fmhy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm trying to upvote all that can, mostly because I'm not very good at commenting lol

[–] 777@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

E-introverts represent, it has been a change really. I found that in Reddit, the sheer number of participants led me to only contribute meaningfully in smaller subreddits. I think I've made more comments today than in the last year on Reddit.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

I think you're fine!

[–] tattooed_dude@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I’ve always been a lurker on that other website, but I’m here to participate. So happy to be apart of the new Lemmy journey!

[–] nwithan8@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want me to make this "my new Reddit", then I'm going to treat it like Reddit.

That means down voting the majority of the posts I see.

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[–] BlankSix@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I belonged, until recently, in a really lovely private community over on that other place, and ... I'm loving what I'm seeing so far. It's a nice take, and feels a lot more like what I wanted out of those other places.

[–] dialecticcake@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I can appreciate wanting to help others feel good about posting, here are my concerns (and some solutions at the end to consider):

  1. If most posts were upvoted blindly, it would make post ratings meaningless as well as the Hot feature. I prefer "good" posts to rise to the top.

  2. If we upvote low quality/low effort posts, then that is what we are encouraging users to produce.

  3. Low quality posts especially from Help Vampires can be a huge drain on the community and moderators. E.g., No one wants to see the same question asked every few posts.

  4. New users may at first be drawn to seeing the number of posts...but if the first x number of posts are all garbage, we may lose potential users.

Personally, I will not upvote posts just to make new people more confident. However, here are some alternative solutions:

  1. People can learn to feel comfortable posting in certain communities that are either smaller or where quality is less expected. E.g., if the future Arch Linux community is like their forum, they are very strict and you'll get worse than a down vote if you don't follow the guidelines in How To Ask Questions The Smart Way and had first RTFM (read the manual) and STFW (searched the web) and have put in great effort and be truly stuck before posting.

  2. Before downvoting, we could look at the user's profile and some of their posts and if they seem very new, we could cut them some slack and/or send them a PM instead of downvoting.

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This is great advice, thanks

[–] Fermion@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the guides

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I think putting effort into actively participating is also the best way to truly quit reddit.

I mean, now everyone is angry because of what's happening and we're flooding alternatives with enthusiasm because of this particular moment, but will it last?

When you're so angry about something it's because you deeply care, and as long as we care there's always the risk of going back to it when the "anger moment" will pass, because let's be honest, it will pass sooner or later.

So we need to stop caring, and the best way to do it IMO is being involved as much as possible here, find new people, make new connections, create/participate in new communities, so there's no chance we'll miss anything of what's "on the other side".

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[–] Ardiente@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Would it be ethical to start saving useful reddit post on lemmy ?

[–] claymedia@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if you credit the original poster, it’s a great idea to grab some of the bestof Reddit posts. There is a lot of really incredible content that could disappear. Combined with Imgur removing a lot of anonymous content from the past decade, sadly it seems like there could be a lot of valuable information that gets lost.

Also, this is my first comment after being on Reddit for 15 years! Where did the time go… I’m glad Reddit didn’t track our hours.

Hi, Lemmy!

[–] Ardiente@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Just deleted my 10+ years old account, I feel old.

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[–] Late_Settler@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Keep in mind that this being a much smaller site your voice and opinion does have an impact. Your posts and votes will influence the culture of this site. Put in the effort to shape it into how you'd like it to be.

[–] MaryAnna@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Long time reddit lurker, coming out of my shell one uovote at a time.

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[–] bpnine@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its funny: in my case a few weeks before the current reddit enshittification drive I started feeling like /r/all was turning into facebook or twitter from a 'create engagement by pissing people off' perspective and started checking in on mastodon more regularly and reddit less. I do participate in a bunch of subreddits too, but it seems like the writing is on the wall with reddit.

I don't love the twitter model where you're searching for a hashtag of the day or following some entity yelling stuff. I grew up on usenet news, forums, and bbs'es before Facebook came along and really like threaded discussions, with self/auto moderation for interest and community 'adults' moderating for big stuff.

Today is my first day on a Lemmy instance and so far it seems to be exactly the right model for me: distributed, forum moderated and user moderated, and threaded discussion based. Its awesome the underlying protocols fit many models (this one and the Mastodon one) so you can choose your style.

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