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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago (17 children)

There have been some pretty extensive studies that indicate that when you give poor people money, they become less poor. When you give poor people enough money to live on, they stop being poor. It’s a radical concept, but it’s also the truth.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (47 children)

I read a study arguing that each time someone utters the letters U, B, and I, currency devalues itself by one thousand fold, chunks of the sky rain down on metropolitan centers, and everyone instantly becomes fat, lazy, and uninterested in any activities except playing video games.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup I died because you said it, so thanks for that.

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[–] jlou@mastodon.social 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah UBI would solve this. This might be a criticism of contemporary capitalism, but it isn't a critique of capitalism more broadly because in principle, capitalism can have a UBI.

More fruitful anti-capitalist critiques emphasize workplace authoritarianism, the employer's appropriation of the whole product of a firm, monopoly power associated with private ownership especially of land and natural resources, and inability to effectively allocate resources towards public goods

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A strike can last much longer if workers are not worried about their bread and roof.

Even without organization, a secure worker can bargain harder for higher wages and better conditions.

[–] kevinbacon@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Aaaaand there it is, the reason they fight so hard to keep you from that security.

Nonviolence won't solve this.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Even a UBI specifically for food- food stamps for all- would make a massive change and improve millions of lives.

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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

In principle, and even in it's intended general practical application, I agree with you.

But in America, I can see both parties getting on board with a UBI, only because they'll use it to gut all other social welfare programs.

Need healthcare? UBI

Hungry? UBI

UBI can't pay for both at once? Tough shit. We abolished EBT and Medicare to pay for UBI.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 110 points 1 year ago (34 children)

This is why the US government runs the mail service, since it guarantees delivery to every address, no matter how remote, even if at a loss.

This is why education should stay a government service, so that schools exist for every student, even when a given class is too small.

And this is why medicine will always need a socialized element, since rare diseases are not profitable enough to treat.

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

This reminds me of a quote from the Grapes of Wrath, (which is set during the great depression):

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I've never gotten around to reading that book. Never knew enough about it to be interested. At the same time as I was eating on $50 of food stamps per month, I was the person who had to take out all the expired meat and stale bread and unsold, entire cakes down to the dumpster.

Had I taken anything and been seen, I would have been fired. A coworker was fired, for handing it out to the homeless shelter across the street instead. I've never forgotten that.

I'm going to read that book, I think.

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[–] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Just watched a thing yesterday about milk companies dumping tanker after tanker of perfectly good milk, because they don't want the prices to drop.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Economists laugh when people believe they're moving away from the evils of money by not using "Dollar Bills".

You read a novel about a post-apocalyptic society where the government is giving out food vouchers just to try to maintain order, and people instantly start using the food voucher slips as currency.

Power dynamics, including the power of the person who farms the land, the person who trucks the food to a storehouse, the person who invests time and thought to design and builds the processing factory, can be expressed any number of ways. You just pick your poison about how you express that power.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I did and I got a 14 day suspension from League of Legends.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (52 children)

Socialism has consistently failed to do that too because it can't handle outside influence from foreign powers. Let's just freely distribute technology and let people farm for themselves again doing that. Highly organized societies are nothing but slave mills.

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