The UNODC said the Taliban crackdown on the poppy industry could have a negative impact on many Afghans' livelihoods and warned of "humanitarian consequences for many vulnerable rural communities.
So to stop growing drugs is a bad thing now?
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We never stopped it for a reason during all the time the US was there. You need to establish an alternative income for the farmers. They grow poppy because it feeds their families. Ironically the big profits were only seen by the Taliban and not the actual farmers.
Now the farmers can’t just switch to almonds or other high value crops instantly so they will go broke. And many of the US attempts to fund the transition away from poppies were corrupted by Afghan government, making farmers move back to poppies.
20 years of US occupation and almost 50k civilian deaths and its worse than before, sounds about right.
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That's a valid point, though the article sounds like cultivation was going on during the the time the Taliban wasn't in control and is now being banned by them.
I have no doubt that the actual farmers got nothing of value in either regimes though.
Considering Street Fentanyl and Carfentanyl yeah. Believe it or not ( I can't believe I am saying this) plant based opiates are weaker and therefore safer than the synthetic stuff. The removal of the weaker stuff leads to an increase in risk for addiction to synthetic opiates across the world
Times a changin' old man better keep up before you get left behind.
Drugs are medicine. The fact that drugs can be abused does not make them something bad in general. For many pain patients around the world opioids are simply a necessity.
The loss of income many afghan farmers will suffer from losing their most important cash crop will be significant. Add the fact that economically, Afghanistan is already a poor country. Obviously no more poppy farming will make people´s lives even worse.
Lack of opium poppies being grown just means more synthetic fentanyl being produced. It doesn't do a thing to hinder drug use by those who need it/seek it out.
It's also going to raise prices for opiate based pharmaceuticals like morphine and it's also going to raise prices for opioid pharmaceuticals because it's people in great pain that'll have to endure the cost.
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Only when enemies of America do it. After all, won't somebody think of big pharmas profits?
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It's complicated. Afghanistan had made hydro projects with the West back in the day. Those pushed salt up the water table. Guess what plant is fine with that saltier soil?
"jobs tho"
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What about before the US invasion? Was opium allowed by Taliban then?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan
Poorly enforced restrictions in the 1990s were a prelude to a full and very effective ban on religious grounds in 2000. The Afghan war in 2001 meant that the ban was only briefly effective.
The Taliban made most of their money on opium sales from 2001-2021.
True, to fight the war.
It seems however, during peacetime, they have a history of banning the drug trade for religious reasons
The United States blocked grain shipments to Afghanistan because Republicans didn't want any more competition to US farmers. So they grew poppies.
It was cotton
It's always cotton.
Bold move.
They managed to do what the Americans haven't managed in two decades. As much as I hate the taliban for being religious extremists, they did a good thing with this one.
And Hitler built the Autobahn, he's my hero too!
A mostly unrelated but interesting historical fact about America is that the US interstate highway system is only as awesome as it is because of the need to transport supplies, troops, etc. between military bases and across the country. In fact, the original name was "Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways."
It also kinda derailed (metaphorically) our future train system, and I'm sure that's partly why it's in such a sad state of disrepair at the moment. we might be less reliant on cars in the US if we had better nationwide train systems and local shares transport (busses etc).
I assume the Autobahn was similar - a way to get through that stretch quickly?
Yeah of course, with the full backing of Sharia to make it happen. Authoritarians are usually highly effective, the problem is that they'll most likely control the supply by growing their own and then collaborate with cartels to turn it into a profit source.
The royal family of Saudi Arabia is a bunch of coke addicted alcoholics but you get killed for using drugs there (unless you run the place.) It isn't about morality for them and it won't be for the Taliban.
I imagine they use a type of Islamic justice to punish anyone that breaks this law. It's hard to run a farm when your workers have no hands. Believe it or not the US really was attempting to provide stability in the region (amongst other things), and yes we did many terrible things while we were there, we eventually we realized the futility of the situation.
For those who lack understanding of why it's has such strategical significance, here's a bit from Wikipedia:
Afghanistan is a landlocked country located at the crossroads of Central Asia and South Asia. Referred to as the Heart of Asia, it is bordered by Pakistan to the east and south, Iran to the west, Turkmenistan to the northwest, Uzbekistan to the north, Tajikistan to the northeast, and China to the northeast and east.
So of course tensions run high. But they haven't had a single century of stability since... checks notes...
• Hotak dynasty 1709–1738
• Durrani Empire 1747–1823
• Emirate 1823–1839
• Restoration of the Durrani Kingdom 1839–1842
• Restoration of the Emirate 1842–1926
• Dost Mohammad unites Afghanistan 27 May 1863
• Anglo-Afghan Agreement 26 May 1879
• Independence 19 August 1919
• Kingdom 9 June 1926
• Republic 17 July 1973
• Democratic Republic 27–28 April 1978
• Islamic State 28 April 1992
• Islamic Emirate 27 September 1996
• Islamic Republic 26 January 2004
• Restoration of Islamic Emirate 15 August 2021
At least a few centuries.
Yes we committed atrocities in the name of the "war on terror" but it seems people forget the country is now run by The Taliban and it seems like there's a lot of support for them. This group of militant nationalists who believe women should only be there to bear children, raise children, and if those children are female? rinse and repeat. Dress how you want or attempt to learn something not directly related to wifely/motherly duties? That's a lashing. Do it multiple times? That's an honor killing.
It blows my mind how quickly auth-leftists in the west who froth at the mouth over christo-fascists don't realize that this is the Muslim version of that but with actual government power.
It's everything they hate, yet there's praise for their actions despite it being blatant religious authoritarianism.
Making something part of your identity that you don't truly comprehend, just because all your friends are doing it. A tale as old as time.
Well, maybe. I think some pre-tech civilizations had it more figured out than others. Many Inuit and Native American tribes seem to have known a thing or two about raising intelligent, confrontation-adverse, self-reliant humans as quickly as possible, out of necessity. There was a study I read some time in the last decade that made some solid points about pre-agricultural societies likely being more egalitarian. Also out of necessity I would imagine. However we also have documented evidence that this is not always the case, see this amazing video of first contact - .
Edit: for some reason the YouTube video link isn't showing up. https://youtu.be/xd0I1xAICOc
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They opened the door for even more fentanyl to take the place of actual heroin, something that will cost countless lives. I'm having trouble seeing how that is a good thing.
America wasn't trying to stop opium production, we were using druglords to beat warlords. The brother of the leader we installed was the kingpin.
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I don't see why they would do that.
Don't they like money?
Drugs, goods and bads, are haram
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Opium production in Afghanistan has plummeted since the Taliban banned cultivation of the poppy plant, according to a UN report published on Sunday.
Afghanistan's Taliban rulers pledged to wipe out the country's drug industry, banning poppy cultivation in April 2022.
Afghanistan was the world's biggest opium producer and a major source for heroin in Europe and Asia before the Taliban takeover.
The UNODC said the Taliban crackdown on the poppy industry could have a negative impact on many Afghans' livelihoods and warned of "humanitarian consequences for many vulnerable rural communities."
"Today, Afghanistan's people need urgent humanitarian assistance... to absorb the shock of lost income and save lives," UNODC Executive Director Ghada Waly said.
Afghanistan has already been grappling with a severe humanitarian crisis sparked by decades of war, as well as natural disasters such as earthquakes and droughts.
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