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Senate Republicans are starting to turn on Tommy Tuberville over his blockade of military promotions.

The Senate brought 61 individual nominees to the floor for a vote Wednesday night. Tuberville objected to all of them, tanking each officer’s promotion. He has repeatedly insisted that his blockade, a protest of the Department of Defense’s abortion policy, does not harm military readiness.

But his Republican colleagues were finally sick of hearing it. “No offense, but that’s just ridiculous,” Senator Dan Sullivan said. “He knows it. We all know it.”

Sullivan revealed that the military expects Tuberville’s blockade to affect 89 percent of all general officer positions, across all branches.

“Xi Jinping is loving this. So is Putin,” Sullivan said, referring to the presidents of China and Russia. “How dumb can we be, man?”

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 183 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If the Republican party was fed up with this. They could revoke his committee memberships and replace him with someone else at any time. So you have to ask yourself. Are they fed up really? Or is this all just performative. And is he doing exactly what they want.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The end goal of all of this seems to be about giving a long list of military appointees for a potential Trump part 2 presidency. No doubt these military appointees would be seeded with people who would go along with another coup attempt. So, yeah, it's just all part of the plan.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

It's not even specifically tied to Trump. It's just fascist doing what fascists do. And every single one of them that isn't calling for tubervils resignation is complicit. But yes they absolutely want loyal little soldiers. Who will not oppose the next potential further.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They could revoke his committee memberships and replace him with someone else at any time.

This still wouldn't stop the hold, any single senator can place a hold on any motion. Normally the work around would be to just call a vote to proceed, but because others are literally hundreds of promotions on hold, it wouldn't really be possible to hold individual votes on them all.

I think the GOP was hoping to not have to rock the boat of a trump loyalist, they've been trying to mend the schism between their radical and traditional members since Jan 6.

[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have the energy to pore through Senate rules and find out why this is a thing. But letting one of the Senate's biggest responsibilities be barred by a single Senator seems like a huge oversight.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

It was originally utilized as an emergency procedure to halt a motion that may negatively affect an individual senator's state. Giving the senator time to pause the motion until he has read through the bill.

If utilized for it's original purpose, it's not actually that problematic of a rule, as it doesn't usually really take much to motivate a motion to continue if the motion is really important.

The issue is that holds were never designed not to be utilized for several hundred motions at the same time. The Senate got rid of holds all together at some point in the 90s but reinstated it the year or so after. I'm guessing this is going to cause them to close this particular loophole by amending the rules.

Though I doubt they will get rid of it all together, as conservatives benefit from holds like this and the filibuster a lot more than progressives.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If and when he stops, whoever is in the next safest seat will just pick up the baton.

They operate under a thin veil of plausible deniability, but they're all aware of the game they're playing.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yep, it's fascism all the way down.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You hit the nail on the head

[–] Mateoto@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

This is what the Republican Party has become: working against U.S. interests, embracing totalitarianism, and receiving funds from Russia and China. Tuberville is a prime example of this disturbing trend within the GOP.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have they or are they using him as an excuse to get nothing useful done? Because they could easily team up with Democrats to expel him if they're so tired of him.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tubervile (typo, but I'm keeping it) is like McConnell - a useful hatchet man for the GOP. He's in no danger of losing his seat, has no shame, and is willing to do the dirty work regardless of how it affects his nationwide popularity.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

On top of that Faux "News" and hard-line Republicans have made compromise akin to traitorous. As soon as any Republicans joined Democrats in calling for his replacement on the committee, they'd not only have a likely Republican opponent the next campaign cycle, but probably death threats.

Case-in-point, Adam Kinsinger, who only agreed to join the impeachment team knowing he was done in politics afterwards.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's still butthurt that Alabama didn't get Space Force

[–] TheDubh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

He started the blockade before that decision though and that blockade is part of the reason they didn’t.

Though won’t argue that he may be upset. Granted Huntsville is more liberal than a lot of Al, so may also view it as owning the libs.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So what you start doing is when it's his turn to vote yes or no and he starts talking about abortion you have he biggest guy in the room punch him square in the face. Then ask for his vote again. Repeat until he votes

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is democracy manifest!

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt that's allowed in the Senate rules. But that won't stop Fetterman, he doesn't give a fuck.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am in agreement with everything you wrote here.

But I only brought Fetterman into this because the guy I was replying to wanted "the biggest guy in the room" to punch Coach repeatedly. And I think it's well known that Fetterman is the biggest guy in that chamber.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Apology accepted.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So wait… the work around was always “do them one by one” and he still had the power the stop that approach also?!

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sort of. This gets into the Senate rules so you really need to ask the Senate Parliamentarian. But my understanding is that under the normal rules, everything the Senate does is subject to some minimum amount of debate on the floor. Including each and every single one of these promotions.

The Senate can waive the normal rules if nobody objects, which happens quite often. For these military promotions, they are often bundled together and voted on all at once. but even a single Senator objecting can force them back to the normal rules. Coach said that the Senate can still approve these, one by one, like the normal rules say.

So, the Senate Leadership decided to offer them one by one, but still waive the debate time for each, which is still circumventing the rules and requires unanimous consent and Coach is continuing to object.

I think it's a bit of performance theater ahead of a push to formally change the rule, which requires 60 votes, so they need Republican support to do it. But if you simply count up the outspoken Republicans who were fighting with Coach and add them to the Senate majority, the math doesn't add up to 60 yet. I think the entire night was a performance for the five or six Republicans they still need to get to 60 votes.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Lies. They could stop this tomorrow if they actually wanted to, but the #GOP works for #Putin.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Hahahahahaha, what happened to tubbyville's BrInG EaCh OnE iNdIvIdUaLlY bullshit he was lying about? Who here is surprised the Republican fucker is lying?

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Just one more thing to keep in mind while youre voting next year.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago

So what are they planning to do about it? Oh, that's right: nothing. I'd call the GOP useless except they're clearly being used by someone.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His first mistake is thinking he can bring any type of "life ethics" into the american military.

They are literally the walking talking example of telling you to screw off lol.

I mean seriously, they have triple the swear word vocabulary of the average person. Not even the happiest and purest hearted of some coast guard CO is going to listen to him.

The marines would eat him alongside their crayons and MRE wrappers.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Not even trying to be an edge lord or a treasonist here, asking in earnest...

He's an outsider. Haven't the movies taught us they'll break his knee caps so he can't make it to the Senate floor to do this?

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't been following this at all. What does he say he's trying to accomplish with this?

[–] bpm@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's mad that female service members stationed where abortion is illegal, are able to apply for leave / reimbursement for travel to another state to get an abortion.

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] WagesOf@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans could end this in one vote. Democrats could bring individual votes and just pass them through slower.

Shutting down our military leadership is a team effort.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There aren't enough hours in the Senate to do it individually. Also there's other shit to get done. This is not both sides. One man, not even the whole GOP for once is about it. Please don't falsely equivocate. It's dangerous.

Did you know a comment you've made like this may have stopped a potential swing voter from switching over bc while they're conservative they hate obstructionism and prefer a functioning government? "But both sides so whatever.. might as well keep voting against your abortions and trans people existing"

[–] WagesOf@artemis.camp 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you admit that the senate could do it if they wanted to without any republican support. And you're also claiming that it's not worth scheduling ANY individual position fill votes and better to just let one dumbshit destroy our military leadership because the dems can blame it on the republicans.

I'm not going to lie and claim that dems are perfect and theres no time to line up 400 votes (each of which takes approx 20 minutes) in the YEARS this bullshit has been blocked just in case some low information dumbfuck who would never have voted for not facism anyway.

Are you really claiming that there's no time or circumstances when those who can work around an obstruction simply refuse to do so have to start sharing the blame?

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You ignored the substantive part of my response. And I don't understand what your point is. I actually don't understand your comment at all.