Nvidia spends the past few years aggressively refusing to cooperate with wayland because corporate brain worms and somehow it's wayland's fault.
this post was submitted on 28 Oct 2023
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Wile I agree that it's not Wayland's fault, I also think that people acting like X11 was obsolete yesterday and everyone should immediately stop using it simply because Wayland exists, while that is still true, are not helping the situation any
Been using it for half an year now, either the issues are insignificant or I do not observ them cause it's not bothering me!
What's your hardware and distro ? I have an Nvidia card and am considering a switch next year
Welp, that was a plot twist. But, I use a Ryzen 3600 with a GTX 1660, nvidia-open driver on arch, wayland tested with gnome, kde and hyprland, had 0 issues as far as I can tell.
Ok 1 issue, but afaik this is wayland not wayland + nvidia - couldn’t get stanley parable to work.
Do you have it on Steam? It should work if you use the Windows version on proton instead of the native Linux version.
I refunded it already, none of the proton versions launched at all for some reason, the native version I got to launch but it was frozen. From what I found googling it was a wayland problem, but I was on hyprland at the time and I was not going to go through the hassle of getting an X session just to get a game running, so I just refunded it citing problems starting the game on linux.
I did not go through detailed troubleshooting, I am over trying to finnick and fiddle to get games to run, if your stuff does not work OOTB or reasonably close to it, you are not getting my money. Most games do, I will rather leave my cash and my time playing something that works than troubleshooting and getting something that doesnt to do so. That goes double for something that is supposed to run native on Linux.
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Hardware Ryzen 7 5800x with RX 6800xt 32gb ram as for distro Arch Wayland KDE.
But that's an AMD card
That the point Nvidia drivers are not grate on Linux I got AMD card specifically for this reason! Had an GTX 1070 before and I had quite a lot of issues with drivers now I have none!
Thanks for clarifying
Stop using NVIDIA on linux. They don't respect our ecosystem so we should not be respecting them with our patronage.
"just buy a whole new gpu 4head" best takes only here
They're quite cheap nowadays, amirite?
I mean, I thought "don't support bad companies" is something most of us on Lemmy could agree with
Linux desktop works fine as long as you have 10 years experience, buy all new hardware, and dig deep on sketchy looking forums to download random drivers to work!
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I don't have a choice, I do GPU rendering
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Do you have systemd-initiald configured correctly? :-)
eurobeats intensify
I've been using Wayland for about a year on and off with Voidlinux on the framework 13. Everything's pretty much worked from the start besides screen sharing which was a void specific issue that's been patched
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Laughs in AMD
Cries in hardware raytracing
Smiles in not needing proprietary software tricks to force customers into buying increasingly expensive gpus
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AMD can do that though?
Not really no, there's a factor of almost 4x in performance between the top cards (my use case specifically being GPU rendering in Blender using Optix or HIP)
I've honestly had 0 issues with Wayland for the past few years of use. Multiple computers including one with an Nvidia graphics card
Can anybody who has actually used Nvidia with wayland in the last 6 months tell me what problems you have? As a recreational PC user I have noticed 0 issues with my setup:
- Ryzen 3600
- Nvidia GTX 1660
- Arch
- Nvidia-open driver
- Gnome / KDE / Hyprland (currently Gnome) running on wayland
I came from Windows 2-3 months ago, my daily usage has been more or less unaffected, especially when it comes to something I could pin to specifically nvidia + wayland.
All the above just makes it seem like nvidia + wayland bad is just a circlejerk.
RTX 2080 here, and this is the major blocker for me with Nvidia + Wayland: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1317
This issue causes XWayland apps to effectively render previous frames very sporadically, and it's especially very noticeable in Electron apps. Discord for example, sometimes someone will send a message and the message will appear, then disappear, then reappear, then disappear over and over again until it finally syncs back up. The user isn't actually deleting and resending their message of course, but the render state of the app is basically "jumping backwards through time".
Tried out the 544 beta driver, and while we did get Night Light/Color support (and that incessant top-screen flicker bug was fixed, occurred in both Wayland and X11), I started to notice the aforementioned issue heavily occurring in IntelliJ which is a Java based development tool which unfortunately is the final deal breaker for me since I can't really work when I write a line of code, and it disappears, reappears, disappears, then reappears again.
This only occurs via XWayland, and surprisingly games don't seem to get hit with it (in my case) so I suppose if you only use Wayland native apps like a web browser then it's fine - otherwise, it makes things very difficult. It also occurs on both Mutter (GNOME) and KWin (KDE) but I imagine there isn't a compositor where this doesn't happen due to what causes the actual problem in the first place.
After trying the 545 beta and the problem getting worse, it's put the nail in the coffin for me on Nvidia and I'll be picking up a 6700XT after my next paycheck comes in. It is a beta driver yes, but the root of the issue is due to the architecture of their driver which isn't going to be magically redone in between the beta and "stable" release.
So, no - I wish it was just a circlejerk, and realistically I can't see how it'd end up being this popular if it was just user error.
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In my case, windows start to flickr intensively after a while. I tried a bunch of flags and workarounds but nothing worked for me.
I use the proprietary driver, though.
Well of course you haven't had any issues you could pin specifically to NVIDIA + Wayland. Because according to your post you're specifically using Nouveau + Wayland. Be kind of strange for a driver you don't have installed to be causing you issues.
And you didn't need to point out you're an Arch user, we could tell just from the sense of superiority dripping off your comment.
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I'm using it presently, and aside from a few quirks in electron app rendering (slack input box flickers sometimes; things like that), it's been solid:
- Ryzen 9 3900X (24)
- GeForce RTX 4070 Ti
- Fedora 38
- Nvidia proprietary driver
- Hyprland (used Gnome before and it was fine)
I use it daily for work and some gaming (CP2077, BG3 of late) and it works well.
Before I'd updated the video card, I had a AMD 5700 xt and it mostly worked, but I was getting sporadic driver crashes (card would reset), which was annoying.
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Laptop support is not where it needs to be especially when it comes to dual GPU.
I found proton to be unreliable. Never got hat in time to play correctly.
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Didn't think that I'd see Throttle House here
Interesting way to find out I missed a good episode
Fuckin beat car channel on YouTube imo.
Them and savagegeese
Donut media is interesting too
I used to watch a lot of them as well. Not nearly as much anymore. Something feels different in their content to me that started leading me to skipping videos . I still watch occasionally though if something piques my interests
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Tried running a 3080 Ti with (all KDE flavors of) Arch, Tumbleweed, Ubuntu, Fedora and Nvidia drivers, X11 works okay-ish but screen glitches galore in Wayland, GPU refuses to grab the output unless iGPU is blacklisted, etc. etc. Hardware video decoding on Firefox and other Chromium-based browsers simply refuse to work because Nvidia. I'm not going to use Nouveau since I'm using it for AI content generation.
Switched to a 7900 XTX, reinstalled and haven't had a graphics-related issue thus far. ROCm is obviously in its early days but it should get better over time. A
For those folks who are seeing zero issues with their Nvidia setup and crapping on others, check your driver variant with lspci -k | grep -A 3 -E "(VGA|3D)" and see if its Nouveau.
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I was wondering what all the issues are until I reread and picked up on the nvidia part. That's a shame as its been so stable for a long time on my 5700xt. I went exclusively AMD GPUs when the 5700 was released and aside from early issues with the win drivers, its been such a great experience on Linux. Big motivation was to be able to retire any of my cards as a video stream transcoder (after nvidia said 2 streams maximum, fuck you all) but as I'm not looking for 4k game all these years later those cards are still all I need for 2k.
Been really impressed with amd the last few years, especially compared to NVs mad pricing
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