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A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How do they define "antisemitic acts"? There have been widespread protests in support of Palestinian civilians, which goes against a ban in place since the attack by Hamas. Are they going to use vague definitions to revoke citizenship for people protesting against the genocide of Palestinians?

[–] artisanrox@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Nazi icons/clothing/symbols are outright banned. It's not unspecific.

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 106 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you make that? Good job.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (6 children)

...but if you're an outright Nazi, German intelligence might have a job for you.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Already the case. To gain citizenship you generally have to have a clear criminal record, with the exception of youth offences, fines up to 90 days, and prison up to 3 month if it was on probation, unless the motive was antisemitic, racist, xenophobic, or otherwise contemptuous of humanity.

If they want to extend it to "has done something like that that wasn't illegal" then they're going to have a hard time before court as it would amount to immigration officials infringing on prerogatives of the judicature.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How are they going to detect that, a "yes/no" question?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Per the article, past convictions.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany has banned that aspect of their history for quite some time

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[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They will use this law to deny citizenship to people from Palestine

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Likely to anyone who even feigns sympathy for them too, if German reaction to Palestinian Liberation protests are anything to go by.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a quite simple line in Germany: Don't be violent and don't shout things like "gas the Jews" and you can protest. And thousands did in quite a number of cities on quite a number of days. Get out of your filter bubble.

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[–] atk007@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Yeah, the law this vague is purposely designed to be abused by the government. German police are already trying Nazi tactics at this point. The pro Palestinian rally at Frankfurt, they literally isolated young people with Palestinian flags, took pictures of people and their ID cards, and suddenly these people now have started getting problems in their schools,universities and jobs, even when they never shared anything political themselves. Germany and Fascism is a story for the ages.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (15 children)

That sounds really extreme. Do you have a reliable source for that?

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why not make that hate crimes in general?

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minister Faeser also makes it clear: "Racism, anti-Semitism or any other form of misanthropy stand in the way of naturalization - there is zero tolerance." A clear commitment to the values of a free society should therefore be a prerequisite for naturalization. Anyone who does not share values such as the dignity and equality of all people and the equal rights of men and women, or who even acts against them, may not become a German.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

But that's already in the law. Unless the idea is to throw the Rechtsstaat out of the window and remove the requirement that people have the right to a fair trial.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago

Because that's already in the law:

Sentence 1 does not apply if the foreigner was convicted of an antisemitic, racist or xenophobic offence, or other criminal offence evidencing contempt for humanity as referred to in section 46 (2) sentence 2 of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) and sentenced to a prison term, fine or youth custody and the court judgment found that the offence was based on such a motive.

This is 100% performative bullshit.

[–] jcdenton@lemy.lol 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)
[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Not kissing Israel's ass presumably

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[–] artisanrox@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany actively boots out and leashes nazis, while Israel elects them to office, parties with them, names districts after them, and permits them visits to the Kotel.

💀💀💀💀💀

Wild times.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] artisanrox@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Israel literally named a settlement in the Golan Heights after fffking Trump.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights

After Bibi had wine and cheese with him. Fukem both.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thanks. I had no idea. That’s terrifying.

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[–] mndrl@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

They can keep their own Nazis, just not have new extra foreigners.

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