At this point, "two state solution" is as believable as "trickle down economics."
this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2023
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How about a one state solution.
That's called future reality
I feel like Biden just keep repeating the talking points that worked for Clinton in the 1990s and being confused why progressives today don't take him seriously. He's better than the other guy by a long shot but his policies are decades old.
Okay, so if a two-state plan is the "old" policy solution what is the new, progressive one?
Admit that the project of establishing a democratic Jewish state has failed, and try to salvage a democratic state out of the rubble.
That’s a fair point because there isn’t another proposal. Except mine which is a one state solution where they all get access to their fscking holy sites and it actually becomes the Middle East’s only democracy instead of democracy theater propped up by apartheid.
The problem is that if the resulting state is a democracy with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians, Israel will no longer be a Jewish state. This is the reason why I believe a democratic Palestine, with control of all Israeli and Palestinian territories, equal rights and protections, rule of law, separation of church and state, an independent judiciary, and a system of checks and balances, would be the best solution to this problem. However, neither Israelis nor Palestinians have shown to be particularly accepting of a democratic, one-state solution, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
The problem is religion being the founding basis for the Israeli state, and the solution is separating religion from the administration of the state.
The problem is … Israel will no longer be a Jewish state.
Yep. You hit it on the head. This is their problem. And they seem to prefer being evil and insecure over not being a Jewish state. Which is why a lot of people say “fuck them.”
They’ll have to decide if they want to be a Jewish homeland and secure, pluralistic democracy, or a “Jewish state.” They can’t have it all.
Right now they’re pretending to have it all through constant war and apartheid. I can’t believe they’ve subjected themselves to so much of this. Let alone the Palestinians.
If their priority is to be a Jewish state, they need to stop crying about Arabs letting Islam run their states, and stop bragging about being a democracy. They’re just another Middle East theocracy with a different style of funny hat.
The problem is less there's no Jewish state, and more that a Muslim majority will not lead to a country that is accepting of other religions.
One Palestinian state and Israel can fuck off to wherever seems to be popular on lemmy.
Yeah but this is also how he sailed through the primary. I don’t know what fucking boomers are out there eating his shit up but they must exist.
Netanyahu has made a two state solution impossible. There are 500,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank who would violently oppose being removed.
100%. The Palestine territories are more like a handful of islands at this point, not a contiguous space.
Just look at this map, and look at how integrated the populations are.
A two-state solution is not viable, not anymore, they have to figure out how to live in peace together. And that means integrating into one country, no more apartheid, equal rights, freedom of religion, the end of the ethno state, the end of the theocratic state.
Upon some reflection, I suspect when politicans are talking about two State solutions today, they don't mean independent countries, they mean Bantustans ... Which isn't going to solve anything, nobody's going to be happy with this
Bantustans is exactly right. They want to enact the South African apartheid model.
Well, Hamas specifically has rejected a 2 state solution twice in recent history. Their official stance is to not negotiate for it and instead kill all jews and end the state of Israel. There's no chance at peace til Hamas is gone, rightwing Israeli government is gone, and Iran's nutjob religious class no longer control the state and export its cancer around the world.
But the Palestinian Authority hasn't. It has, specifically, called for it.
Is this war against Hamas or Palestinians?
That's the thing though, if Hamas have an approval rate above 50% isn't it getting awfully close to a disorganized government and it's people that's engaging in a full scale war? It's hard to say the war is against a terrorist group when the group is backed by a strong majority of the population that supports their actions.
I agree. When any group of people support something bad by 50% ten years ago it's okay to kill them all.
2 states are unviable. There needs to be one inclusive state for all people of the region with serious reparations for the Palestinian people. Dual citizenship if people want it and 2 official langauges.
Peace is the only way forward. It happened in South Africa and Northern Ireland. It can happen.
https://www.theleftberlin.com/why-the-two-state-solution-for-palestine-is-impossible/
It'll never happen. Israel will never allow the possibility for a non-Jewish majority to coalesce and take over the government.
And I don't see hardcore al-Islamiyyun living side by side with jews. This would be a powder keg right from the get go, just look at how they treat each other for years now.
Same goes for Kahanites. Fascists on both sides will have to be taken care of.
A Belgian model might work. Two or for completeness' sake three (Christians) federal entities, joint army, separate police forces, give municipalities the right to switch who they belong to by 2/3rd majority. Jerusalem becomes federal territory.
I just don’t see it. There are too many vested interests in maintaining an ever-present conflict to justify consolidated power in the hands of those who have it.
I’m going to save this comment and copy and paste it into comments on basically every news story ever.
Im sick of hearing this "two state solutions" like iraeli are incapable of sharing their living space with palestinians. Everybody should chill and start to create bonds. This bs "centuries old enmity" was fabricated and fed through the decades.
Any chance was destroyed when trump officially moved the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.
I propose a no-state solution: Depopulate the area, then seed it with Caesium-135. Area becomes unlivable, and thereby peaceful.
chaotic!
what's some more solutions for the worlds problems?
I think Mr Burns had some pretty good ideas.
I'd argue it's the perfect case for a no-state solution. Multiple faith groups have history in the region, they should rally around that and preserving it instead of some colonialist military state that's practically a U.S outpost in all but name. But blind dogma is rarely conducive to peace I guess.
How is a non-state supposed to defend itself from people who want to make it their state?
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