That seems meaningless.
this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2023
337 points (96.9% liked)
politics
19104 readers
2774 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
It doesn't mean every fine will be $5k, it's a warning. The judge is saying it's a serious gag order with consequences, $5k is probably the average fine for first violations.
There was an open question about what the judge could do about violations of the gag order, it's just impossible that an ex President goes to jail for violations of a gag order...I'd argue he's not going regardless, but 100% not going for this. So we have an answer, there will be fines.
If this is the sort of fine he's going to get, he'll violate it as often as he can. So this is either bait, or this judge is a fucking idiot.
Crimes punished by fines only apply to poor people.
But if the judge imposes a fine that would be meaningful to a "billionaire," then he feeds the right-wing narrative of being on a vendetta against Trump. That's an issue with all the prosecutions, and doubtless part of the reason he seems to get such kid-glove treatment.
It's not the sort of fine he will get. It's the fine he's getting for a first offense for a minor violation (this was something existing since before the gag that was left up).
It's a shot across the bow to show that the weapon is loaded and the judge will use it.
Why is it impossible for an ex president to go to jail for contempt of court? He's just a citizen, now, and a citizen would have their bail revoked.
load more comments
(2 replies)
The need to double it every time. And keep paying attention so they don’t miss any violations.
It's symbolic at this point. That number will go up and eventually jail will come into the picture. We know that Trump can't help himself, so this is going to escalate pretty quickly in front of us.
Eventually jail... No it wont. No faith in the courts to do what is needed.
Contempt of court can easily land you in jail and that is time that would never be counted towards your eventual sentence. Rather, it is punishment for pissing off a judge, which is always a bad idea. Judges are basically gods and can do anything the hell they want as long as it is within the laws and standard regulations.
The Chicago 7 is an example. The judge was personally biased and actually threw a defense lawyer into jail under contempt charges then made the defendant appear without representation. Judge eventually put away half a dozen people for months at a time under the excuse of contempt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven
ETA: The judge in that case was such an asshat that all convictions of all persons were overturned by the court of appeals. But, it didn't stop him from ruining lives.
load more comments
(1 replies)
It's marginally less meaningless than the consequences he has faced so far, which have been literally nothing.
I'll take a fine over nothing. Keep it coming.
Especially since he won't even pay it like all his bills, which somehow rich people get away with regularly
Exactly.
load more comments
(2 replies)
5k? What a loser, that Judge should throw it up to 200k and state if it happens again it will include jail time. Why does everyone walk on eggshells with these idiots, I don't care who it is, fine them and jail them
It should have already included jail time. If you or I violated a gag order they'd just revoke bail.
load more comments
(5 replies)
Give. Him. A. Cell.
You know how many angsty rich white male teens are frustrated Daddy's money hasn't gotten them any pussy yet that are just so fucking inspired?
They don't see that $5000 and think trump did wrong. They see it and think that with enough money, there is no wrong.
Oh don't worry, further violations "will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions." So... you know... $6000.
Contempt of court and Trump in jail will be fun to watch.
Better hire an animation team then. Cause you're not gonna see it irl unless/ until there's a conviction (and probably 50/50 then).
If the punishment is a fine, it just means there is a cost to the activity. It isn't actually illegal, you just can't afford it.
What kind of softcore court porn shit is this?
softcore court porn
That is a fabulous tongue twister. I can barely think it without getting tangled.
Softpourt core corn?
Oh noooooo! $5,000.00? He might have to look behind all three sofa cushions to raise all that!
Engoron told the former president and his attorneys in court Friday that he wanted to "make clear that Mr. Trump is responsible for the large machine, even if it is a large machine," reported CNBC. However, in his written motion, the judge said that a fine of $5,000—a small financial burden for Trump—was reasonable given that it was a "first time violation."
"Make no mistake," Engoron added, "Future violations, whether intentional or unintentional will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include, but are not limited to, steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of court, and possibly imprisoning him pursuant to New York Judiciary Law."
A) it is a pitiful amount
B) he will get his rubes to pay it
No incentive to STFU.
Tired of the courts twisting themselves into pretzels to accommodate this creep.
The judge explained the reasoning. This was a warning shot.
I hope they add a 0 every time he steps out of line.
Fines are only a punishment for the impoverished.
Even one night in jail would be better.
His fanboys will fall head over heels to pay this for their idol. He will basically make money with that move.
Does he have $5,000?
Don't worry, your grandpa does.
Fuck now I'm sad
Let's see if that ever gets paid.
I'm guessing this is a little bit of a warning shot
Seriously? jfc
Another bill he can not pay
At least it's something. Hopefully there will be a steep escalation of fines as trump continues to trump.
Fining a rich person who never pays up is meaningless.
Sure, but you have to start somewhere. Should have started about 7 years ago.
He should have been in a jail cell since the fucking 1980s. This is the logical outcome of a rich asshole child not being told no for eighty fucking years.
Never once told no.
load more comments
(1 replies)
He’s going to make millions in donations off of that $500
view more: next ›