While it is nice that all the trolls come out of the wood to get banned in this thread, I will lock it now as this has really run it's course.
this post was submitted on 01 Oct 2023
78 points (66.0% liked)
Vegan
868 readers
8 users here now
A community to discuss anything related to veganism.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I'm gonna remember this thread for the next time everyone starts going on about how:
"The average person is doing the best they can! Climate change is all the government's and corporation's fault, we literally can't do anything!"
Meanwhile, a post on a vegan community got several people to go out of their way to talk about how cool they are for eating meat. And they got upvoted for it too!
Reminder that:
-
meat production is one of the largest producers of CO2 (beef is the biggest, and pork after that)
-
most greens are cheaper than meat, pretty much everywhere
-
the average person in a western country is typically overweight
"But there's nothing we can do! Don't you see? It's the governments and corporations who have to take action and force me to stop eating meat/insert-other-thing-I-can-do-but-choose-not-to-here! Also, vote for Biden/a-centrist-from-your-country!"
What does being overweight have to do with whether or not people eat meat? Eating excessive calories makes people overweight, and you can sure as hell do that with potato chips.
The average person in America is overweight. Stands to reason an average omnivorous anatomically modern human who is overweight and eats excessively probably eats more than the average amount of meat. Fast food is built around protein staples like beef pork and chicken. Most people eat meat every single day.
As the commenter above you mentioned, meat has extremely negative impacts on the environment and is among the most wasteful things people consume. In particular beef, which is well known to increase risks of cancer and heart disease, is extremely resource and energy intensive to produce. Factory farming and mass beef production have vast consequences for the environment and for our health. Not to mention the many morally objectionable practices that happen in these places.
Ok, let me put it this way: Assuming that an overweight person must eat meat is a logical fallacy.
One of my friends in high school was a vegetarian and was probably around 300 pounds.
High fructose corn syrup is a hell of a drug.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people often aren't consciously aware of how many calories they drink. A case of mountain dew and a bag of chips will go a long way toward making a person fat.
Per this study from 2021 around 74% of Americans consume red meat. Per CDC statistics 73.6% of adults are overweight, and that was for the year 2017-18. Per this statista piece somewhere around 30 billion pounds of red meat was consumed in 2021. Per 2020 data gathered by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations Americans consume a large amount of meat even in proportion to other nations, averaging per person around 124.11 kilograms a year.
Roughly 74% of Americans consume red meat, and a pretty similar proportion are overweight. Around 30 billion pounds of beef were consumed in 2021 in America. Americans in general eat much more meat than the rest of the world.
The data is pretty clear on this front. The beef industry in America is absolutely gigantic. And the consequences it has on both the people who consume it and the environment of the world are massive.
The meat isn't why those people are overweight though. It's correlation, not causation. If a person eats a meat only diet, more than likely they'll reduce body fat and gain muscle mass due to the macros they are consuming. It's all the easy calories and lack of exercise that makes so many people overweight.
I appreciate the time it took to link all of that, and I'm sure that there are a lot of meat eaters who are also overweight. The only point I was trying to make is that you can absolutely be vegetarian/vegan and be overweight.
Assuming that an overweight person must eat meat is a logical fallacy.
I wasn't assuming that.
You're hyper focusing on one detail and missing the forest for the trees.
Premise 1: The vast majority of people eat meat
Premise 2: The majority of people are overweight
Conclusion: A very large portion of the population can stand to eat less meat.
Add in that some meat (beef) is a lot more caloric than anything green, and the likelihood of an overweight person being a vegan is quite small (which doesn't mean there aren't cases of it), and so the number of people who can stand to eat less meat also grows higher.
I'm not trying to shame people for being overweight, I struggled with it for a long time myself, I'm simply pointing out that the majority of people can definitely afford - both money and health wise - to eat less meat than they do.
The reason for the mother being put in that cage, which in reality wouldnt have ends that look to be a piercing hazard, is because she otherwise would kill the piglets by laying down on them or otherwise harm them
Thanks for showing up in my main feed, and reminding me that I hadn't blocked this mag yet.
Thanks for showing anything from this username is gonna be a waste of everyones time.