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Tried Andor after taking a break from Star Wars and realized that the galaxy where politics is determined by magic laser sword people now wants to be serious. (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Lauchs@lemmy.world to c/starwarsmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember when discussing Rogue One with my mother (who is not a big Star Wars fan), I mentioned that many felt it was out of place in the series, because it was unusually dark. To which my mother opined that the series was always dark.

In discussing it, it... honestly is. We fans sometimes overlook it, because the Original Trilogy is so triumphant in tone and grand in scale, and the Prequel Trilogy is... plagued with other problems... but Star Wars is dark in a way that original fairy tales are dark.

[–] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An entire civilization is exterminated in the first half hour.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And Han is explicitly tortured, with Leia both tortured and enslaved. It's pretty grim.

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2 millions troopers died on Death Star!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That halo explosion in the remastered version? Entirely made out of people.

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stormtroopers are robots!

Jokes aside, you don’t have to have everything explained to understand something. Yes, they didn’t show the bodies but you with a little use from logic you can see that Leia complaining about her pacific, weaponless planet being blown means it’s not desert. Same goes for the Death Star on which you see there are people until a few seconds later where it blows up. Same goes for everything.

Sure, maybe a kid won’t pick it up but that doesn’t mean Star Wars was light hearted in the OT

[–] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's only eye revealing if you literally aren't paying attention. Vader straight up chokes and breaks the neck of an officer, killing him, that he's interrogating on the rebel blockade runner in the first 10 minutes. Stormtroopers destroy and burn uncle owens farm and leaves his and his wife's corpses out in the open after burning them down to the skeletons. Han shooting first, Alderran is genocided by the death star, princess Leia is tortured, albeit it off screen, we get the scene of the interrogation droid with all his "toys" floating towards her before the door closes. All the pilots die including lukes best friend biggs fighting the death star except wedge luke and a few y wings, It's never been a "kids" story till arguably the prequels when Lucas secured rights to toys and went on to push story elements that could be made into toys to sell.

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[–] ComradeSpood@lemmyunchained.net 40 points 1 year ago (25 children)

What don't get is why people think something like star wars can't have different tones. It's a big universe with a big story. Just because the originals were these scifi epics doesn't mean a different story set in the universe can't be grounded and dark. Like how 40k can be really goofy and stupid but also really serious and gritty. It depends on the specific story being told within the setting. Not the setting as a whole

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Andor is probably the best star wars they've done. It has flaws, but it's so much better than Obi-Wan and Ashoka.

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The best part of Andor is that we know nothing any of them do will ever have any impact at all.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Stealing the plans to the Death Star so the rebellions new wizard wonder boy can one shot the thing has no impact?

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shame about Manny Bothans though, really starting to like that character

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

A friendly reminder

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just like the rest of us!

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It is just more a function of having to explain more because there is more to explain. The original trilogy feels lived in, but they only explain a small part of it because they don't have to. Eventually, you get enough world building that you have to start explaining the smaller bits.

And since the Star Wars universe has more stories including those with non-Jedi, it means having to create smaller enemies that the heroes can fight against.

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Star Wars is one of those situations where it gets worse the more you learn about it. The original trilogy set off a trend but we see where it's now at. Kind of like watching Lost.

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[–] freamon@endlesstalk.org 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hopefully Luthen gets his magic laser sword working for season 2

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[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

You weren’t reminded of a disturbed magic space clown every time they said “the emperor” or “papaltine”?

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's nothing wrong with wanting a fantasy setting to adopt a more adult tone and intention. Having more complex plots and dialogue. I think a of of the people liking Andor are in that category. They want to see Star Wars grow up and put behind the camp and cheery kid show shit.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I guess, and this is going to go down as well as most things I've said in this thread, it just seems childish. "I want my childhood stuff to grow up with me and become adult just like me!"

Beyond that, Star Wars is a goofy universe and doesn't super hold up when you try to take it seriously. (They have robots who are inexplicably terrible shots? They can move things at faster than light but only just realized that means you can fly a ship, or even just a cement block with jets, through another? Robots exist and are cheap but human manual labour seems preferable for no discernible reason?) And if you strip away the goofy fun, you're just left with Star Wars minus the Star Wars elements.

There are MANY good sci fi universes where complex plots, moral dilemmas and good dialogue exist. Those universes have been crafted to make it all work.

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