Pretty sure civilian courts can't order military discharge as a punishment.
this post was submitted on 12 Sep 2023
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Nope, and the military often let's civilian court go first, just in case there's lax sentencing like this.
I knew a guy who was drunk and "sure" a gun wasn't loaded, so he pointed it his riends head, and blew his brains out.
When I lost touch, he had been waiting for the civilian court case for almost a year and still in the military, but they were making his life hell in the meantime.
They were just waiting on the civilian ruling before doing their own and sending him to Leavenworth for it.
They can order prison though.
Man I'll tell you what, I got OTH discharge from the Navy for a WHOLE LOT LESS. What a fucking joke. Fuck this
This was civilian court. He hasn't been tried in a court martial yet.
I think it's five years later you can appeal, and almost all of them get approved.
Like, if you got a DUI or popped on a drug test, you can probably get it changed. It's a small hassle, but there's no reason not to fill out the paperwork
He'll be heading to Leavenworth shortly. The military always lets civilian courts go first, specifically to ensure that service members don't get off lightly.
This is like the $150 fine that the Commonwealth of KY will fine you if you detonate a nuclear device within city limits. They're just getting the pennies they think they might get out of you when the federal government is done with you.
what is OTH?
Other than honorable
That's different from dishonorable?
There are 8 different discharge types. You can read about them at the link below, but basically other than honorable is for serious violations (assault for example) that don’t meet the dishonorable criteria.
https://www.benefits.com/veterans-benefits/types-military-discharge
"Veterans with this determination may also not be able to vote"
WTF?
Military service is dangerous for multiple reasons…
Not just life and limb, but social participation. The only place where a non-felony can land you with felony restrictions.
As a veteran myself (I was young and dumb. I’m still dumb, but not young), I encourage everyone avoid joining the US military at all costs. It’s really not worth the free college (which isn’t worth a whole lot these days anyway, since everyone has a worthless degree).
I find weird that the right to vote can be stripped at all.
Here in Europe every adult can vote, no matter what.
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Thanks for sharing.
"Hellonen, Coomer and Abate pleaded guilty earlier this year to parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building, a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum of six months behind bars. Hundreds of Capitol rioters have pleaded guilty to the same charge, which is akin to trespassing." They got off way too easy for violating their oath.
"None of them is accused of engaging in any violence or destruction on Jan. 6. But prosecutors said none of them has expressed sincere remorse for their crimes."
"Coomer bragged on social media about taking part in 'history,' called for a 'fresh start' and said he was 'waiting for the boogaloo,' a slang term for a second civil war in the U.S."
The court martial he’s going to have is entirely separate from civilian legal proceedings. And I expect the presiding officers are going to absolutely throw the book at him, if for no other reason than to set a graphic example.
And if they don’t, we’ll know a bit more about the dangerous personal politics of some officers in the Marines.
Yeah, this is what gives me the cold sweats. Enlisted guys being conservative and following the Republican line to the extreme? Not a damn surprise there, been that way as long as I remember. Officers, especially upper ranks, being that way enlisted guys are? That's scary.
I just hope there’s enough people in our military leadership who will channel the spirit of General Smedley Butler, who blew open and helped to kill the business plot back in the 1930s.
I'm so hype to see what military courts have to say about openly advocating for a second civil war.
Article 94 of the UCMJ is pretty clear. He's looking execution if they decide we were at war at the time, and life in Leavenworth otherwise.
I am too. And I hope it amounts to “don’t fucking do that”.
Crayons going to crayon
They haven't been in front of a court martial, yet. The military waits for civilian court to do their thing, before throwing people in Leavenworth.
That is what most of them did, isn't it?
In many countries, an active duty soldier commiting treason will result in a firing squad.
Now that he's been found guilty, I hope that he receives a dishonorable discharge.
No double jeopardy with the UCMJ...
It's entirely possible he still ends up in Leavenworth, which would 100% be worse than normal jail.
They'll discharge them after a stay in Leavenworth. The military judicial system has not yet had its turn.
Some time in Leavenworth to contemplate his actions would be better.
Mr.Coomer won't be unfamiliar with the procedure I assume
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Why the hell are these traitors still in the Marine Corps?
Dishonorably discharge them and cancel all their benefits already.
I believe they were also dishonorably discharged IIRC from the last time I saw this. I very well may be wrong though.
I heard other than honorable but again hearsay. Would prefer dishonorable
"As of Friday, all three Marines were still on active-duty status, according to the Marine Corps. But all three could be separated from the Marine Corps “on less than honorable conditions,” prosecutors said."
Doesn't say for sure but that's a exerpt from the article
So how much for betraying your country, your corps and the oath that you made when you joined?
Well let's hope next time nobody joins out of fear of 34 days of community service.
This was the civilian court's decision. Now that it's over they'll face the military court.
I’m confused. Why did the judge use such a weird frame of reference for the sentence? How can you use casualties from one branch of the military, in a war over a century ago, for a case today? Seems entirely arbitrary and out of context.
Like, we don’t sentence thieves in 2023 based on how many boxes of tea were destroyed during the Boston Tea Party.
Can they at least make him eat a whole box of crayons? One of the 250 in a box ones?
That's called "breakfast" in the corps.
I'm sure they already do that for fun.
Why are you wanting them to give him a tasty treat?
That's almost as many crayons as Marine casualties in the Civil War!
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