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so my old GPU died a few days ago and I was thinking which brand of GPU to get next. AMD or Nvidia? I've heard Nvidia drivers are very annoying with Linux but I've never had an AMD GPU before. Which would be better? I'll sometimee switch to Windows to play specific games as well.

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[–] Cotillion189@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (7 children)

AMD all the way. Few weeks ago I finally made a switch from Nvida for the first time. I have no problems in gaming. All games that I play run same as on windows.

[–] Yoru@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

a question i have: I use pop!_OS and I installed it using the Nvidia ISO, will there be a problem if I switch to an AMD GPU?

[–] Cotillion189@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I don't think there will be any issues. On that note, use open source AMD drivers. You dont need proprietary one from their site.

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

No. That ISO just installs the drivers by default. You can just uninstall them. Or leave them. They won’t break anything, although they will slow down your updates because they are huge.

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[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just chipping in to say I have a 3060 and I’m scared of every update breaking my drivers again - just don’t get a Nvidia, don’t do it to yourself

[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have a 3080 ti and haven't had any issues yet, worst that happens is I would just load the previous driver from the cache in recovery mode. That said, I want to get back to amd, I just don't have the money for it

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Short answer: AMD

Long answer: AMD used to be very bad, NVIDIA has always been the same, i.e. if you're willing to use proprietary drivers it works, but it has some hiccups. A while back AMD open source their drivers so the game turned around, nowadays they're very easy and compatible from what I've heard. I've used NVIDIA for over a decade, but my next card Winn be AMD for sure.

PS: if you're still in doubt, the latest Linux kernel purposefully broke the NVIDIA proprietary driver because NVIDIA has been copyright infringing the Linux kernel by using functions that are considered so integral to the kernel that if you have to use them you work should be considered derivative and be bounded by GPL licence.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A while back AMD open source their drivers

No, they abandoned their proprietary driver and joined development of existing mesa driver. Basically as if Nvidia joined nouveau.

if you're willing to use proprietary drivers it works, but it has some hiccups.

Pre-Pascal GPUs aren't supported by closed source driver, so your only option there is nouveau.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's asking to buy a new one, so old cards not working is not really an issue. But are you sure about the Turing line (i.e. 20 series)? I thought the Maxwell (i.e. 7 series) was the oldest you can use on the proprietary drivers. In fact up until recently I had a 1080 that I used with the proprietary drivers.

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[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

if you’re willing to use proprietary drivers it works, but it has some hiccups

Do you know if nvidia still has issues with Wayland or are nvidia and MAD on par nowadays in that area?

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only way nVidia works well with Wayland is with nouveau

Their proprietary drivers still don’t work. They announced plans to make them work better, but they haven’t put in the work to merge them yet

[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Sounds like currently AMD is a safer bet if one was in the market for a new card.

Thanks for your answer.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Last I tried it didn't worked, however last I told Reddit/Lemmy that NVIDIA didn't worked on Wayland I was downvoted to hell and told it obviously worked and had worked for a long time. So in theory it works, but I was never able to get it to work and I have given up trying until I get an AMD card.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Definitely AMD. The drivers are actually open source, much better with less bugs and there are no problems known to me. I currently have had a GTX 1070 for the last 5 years, until I've enough money for an AMD card. My setups, especially Wayland based, are riddled with bugs not present on my (Intel based) laptop - which means the only explanation is the NVidia card. The (admittedly: testing on Arch) drivers have broken two times in a year, not making the system unusable but definitely preventing gaming.
On top of that, the 4090 may be 25% better than the 7900 XTX - but it's also 50+% more expensive than the 7900 XTX, which is a pattern which can be seen for every generation and version of GPUs by Nvidia/AMD. Nvidia's equivalents to AMD's cards are generally 25-50% more expensive, with worse performance but better Raytracing and of course DLSS support - oh wait, DLSS 1 and 2 are only for RTX 20 and up, while DLSS 4 is only for 40 Series GPUs. Which means no matter how good it looks, FSR will be the only alternative for almost all players, even those using NVidia cards like me.

Something different: Intel's Arc GPUs would maybe be worth a shot. According to a PC World article, the A770 beats the 3060 even in it's own habitat - Raytracing. It's cheap and gets better with every driver update. It also seems like the Arc GPUs are compatible with Linux fine, though I'd suggest you look up the compatibility with the games you want to play.

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[–] Pharceface@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AMD, easily. Its literally plug and play. You can even pick some second hand options for cheap that are still solid for gaming such as the vega 56/64 and the RX 5700XT (which is I use). Intel isn't bad so long as you're not playing the newest stuff, my Arc a750 is solid in games like Fallout 4 and Elden Ring. Starfield is complete mess on it. Another thing with Intel is you'll need a distro with a 6+ kernel to get the most out of it.

[–] TrivialBetaState@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 year ago
[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 20 points 1 year ago

"Better" is relative to your own use case. If you're a casual user, who maybe play some games on Linux, and don't really care about getting those games to work with Nvidia's version of ray tracing upscaling stuff, getting an AMD card is no brainer because it's cheaper and works out of the box too, and many games are starting to support ray tracing and upscaling on AMD card as well.

But, if you absolutely need to have access to CUDA, RTX and DLSS, then you'll have to get an Nvidia card and deal with consequences of using their drivers (buggy on Wayland, etc).

[–] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

AMD is better on Linux most of the time. Running a AMD card day one is not hassle free.

That being said if you pick a up to date distro all 7000 and 6000 series should work fine now. They are already in the kernel and mesa for a while. You may want to update you kernel and mesa sometimes to get better performance and stability.

But in my experience nvidia is fine on Linux. (I only used older cards gtx 970 and a rtx 2060) especially when you have just one monitor or all monitors on the same refresh rate. It's not on par with windows but will work with the Nvidia drivers.

So I would say if you a simple setup Nvidia is fine and AMD is better. It all depends on the best deal you can get. If ray tracing is not that important AMD is new the best value. If you more on a budget second AMD Rx 5700 XT are pretty cheap here and there are some good deals on Nvidia 30 series cards.

As far I have read intel cards can be a pain on Linux. So I would not recommend it for now.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This sums up my feelings on Nvidia.

[–] rcmaehl@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This better be angry Torvalds

Edit: It was

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

It's a very heartfelt, genuine, and relatable moment.

[–] lloram239@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am on AMD, as I had too many problems with Nvidia over the years (e.g. driver borked after upgrade and stuck on console). That said, AMD driver ain't of great quality these days either. Playing around with StableDiffusion and running out of VRAM will crash the driver and require a reboot. Some Xorg/kernel/driver versions crash frequently. One of my monitors does not work when connected over HDMI in Linux (flickering image), but works fine in Windows.

AMD is also quite a bit more challenging with AI stuff in general, as everything is using Nvidia's CUDA. The situation is however improving. On the positive side, AMD cards have more VRAM than equally priced Nvidia cards, which is far more important than raw performance in AI workloads (not having VRAM means you just can't do some things).

So not exactly smooth sailing, but AMD mostly works ok. For plain gaming via Proton I didn't have any issues.

[–] BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was running a LLM earlier this evening and my 3090 started to make a ticking noise everytime a token was generated. Panicing, I look for the first time in years at AMD's lineup. A 7900 XTX goes for $1400 CDN, but a 4090 is almost $2500.

I also use Daz Studio/Iray to render characters before feeding them to Stable Diffusion, because it's a lot easier to get exactly what you want without spending hours tweaking prompts and seeds and hoping for the best.

An extra grand isn't really that bad when you factor in the lifetime of the card.

[–] ABeeinSpace@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it’s a ZOTAC card it might just click when the fans start and stop. My ZOTAC 3060 makes a click when the fans start and stop. It’s a good way to know when my PC wakes itself up lol

[–] BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Naw this was a click everytime a token was generated, and they were generating really slowly so I knew something was wrong. I think it was bouncing off the 24GB memory limit and something was being tripped, so I changed the loader from AutoGPQ to ExLlama_HF and everything works fine now.

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[–] Rogueren@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago

AMD is generally better

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I were buying a card right now I'd get either the 6700XT or the 6800XT because they're both at crazy good value for the money right now, especially if you can get one used or refurbished from a reputable seller with a return policy.

[–] StatelessInSeattle@kolektiva.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@entropicdrift @Yoru love my 6700XT, it's been a great card so far. Runs fantastic on Linux too.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I have never had issues with AMD for my graphics cards, been running team red with Linux for almost a decade now. Even switching distros no issues. But, I don’t buy new hardware, I always grab last gen, so bugs are usually worked out by the time I get my hands on it.

[–] randompepsi@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AMD. I’d get the rx 6800 xt

[–] Questy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm mostly a newbie to Linux, I've been using it as a main gaming rig for several months and only Nobara. I hear often that AMD is hassle free, but I'm using Nvidia and honestly I've had no roadblocks. I started with a 2080ti and have since moved to a 4080, no hassles. There is a built in updater and it automatically downloads the newest driver packages. They are always a version or so behind the latest Windows set but meh. Switching on gSync was as simple as toggling VRR for my 144hz monitor.

The one thing that I needed to look up was getting ray tracing running. There was additional stuff I needed to add in Steam (copy paste from the post I found), and then RTX was up and running.

Like I say, I definitely don't know better than the people saying AMD is a smart choice, but I don't think people necessarily need to worry that their Nvidia system is a roadblock to switching to Linux.

AMD used to be a hassle, but now the Mesa support is very good. It's probably better than Nvidia.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I assume you're not using Wayland at the moment?

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[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

STOP recommending Intel Arc for Linux, people. Do any of you saying that even own one?

[–] mhz@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a gtx1060 when I started using linux, then upgraded to 2060 then again to 2080, they all worked fine without any major problem (except that file system checking at boot sometimes and wayland). Last year I upgraded to RX6800 and man everything just works, no more filesystem checks at boot, Wayland is mu way to go now.

If I have a nvidia card now I would just use, but if I'm buying a new/used gpu it will definitely be AMD.

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[–] poVoq 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is also Intel Arc now, which does offer some relatively good value for money.

Otherwise, yeah AMD is more hassle free on Linux. Any model works, so just look at your budget.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

Intel Arc still has driver issues, like the new Starfield is just not working on Linux with Arc graphics. There's more focus on AMD's drivers especially with the Steam Deck using them too.

german source: https://www.computerbase.de/2023-09/starfield-linux-benchmarks/

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For gaming and desktop use, I've had a flawless experience using AMD cards and a decent time with NVIDIA. The only reason I'm with NVIDIA now is for the AI capabilities (don't bother trying to run stuff using AMD's ROCm - it's near impossible to install).

[–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PyTorch actually works pretty well on Arch with opencl-amd and opencl-amd-dev (the official packages didn't work for me). I'm extremely happy with my new Radeon.

[–] iloverocks@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

I bought a Rx 5700xt for 190€ in Germany this was 4 month's ago

[–] uis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally Intel or AMD. You may pick Intel dGPU as well.

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Intel dGPU

That's not the best idea. Performances are not even close of what they are on Windows
Also there's an idle power draw issue which can sometimes be fixed on windows but not on linux

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[–] Agility0971@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I know which NOT to buy

[–] Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I just built my first every dedicated Linux machine. With gaming and 3d design for printing as focus. I chose RX 6700 XT and it's been plug and play. Of course I've only been playing Starfield so far on it. I did have a bug with Steam but got that sorted.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What do you use your PC for? Just games? Or AI as well?

If it's just games, I'd go AMD. More VRAM = more better and AMD has more VRAM for the same price.

If you want to do AI on your PC as well, I'd go Nvidia. The software support from AMD is just not there yet.

I had no issues with Nvidia on pop os and Ubuntu, and rarely any issues on arch. That's the bleeding of "bleeding edge" for ya, lol. But it's a single command to roll back to a previous version of the driver, so no big deal anyway.

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[–] ownsauce@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I can't play starfield right now because of issues with the Nvidia 535 driver causing the game to crash on starting a new game.
Downgrading to the older 525 driver lets the game play but with severe performance issues and a level of input lag and freezing that is toxic. My playtime says 4.5 hours but 4 hours of that was restarting the game with different drivers and toggling off different settings in the game for the absolute lowest performance. I'll just have to wait a month or so until the bugs are worked on and new driver versions are released.

Summary: If you are ok with playing games a month or two after release with a potential for some driver issues, Nvidia will probably be fine. I can play every older game in my steam library using Proton (which is built in to steam, you just need to turn it on in the game properties).
Otherwise it is a risk and you will always run into issues with Nvidia's proprietary drivers and new games.

I'll be getting AMD processor and GPU for my next desktop gaming computer.

[–] lonewalk@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I just swapped from NVidia to AMD, since Proton was not working under NVidia for Starfield at launch (and I’ve generally been unhappy using NVidia for a while).

I can finally also use things like Wayland where NVidia just doesn’t support it well enough to be a good option (e.g., weird issues with full disk encryption unlock screen, no night light support)

I know CUDA and productivity apps might push you in the other direction, but if your main priority is gaming, I suspect AMD will be nicer. My first impressions is that it plays way better with Linux and reduces headaches that shouldn’t exist but you’ll deal with under Nvidia.

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