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this post was submitted on 04 Sep 2023
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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Some of them are dead.
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Some cops were bastards?
dead bastards
"No-knock raids" just seems like a recipe for disaster..?
Of course citizens are gonna shoot back when loud and violent people suddenly bust down their doors..
Bad post title.
No real details on the article at all. I feel bad for that family.
I agree the article and title are terrible. But from what I was able to piece together from three separate articles on the same site:
The police were executing a narcotics search warrant. During the execution, the father of the family (Sistrane Edwards) was shot once and killed. The pet (Unnamed) was also shot and killed. The mother (Cynthia Soileau) was shot and is alive, in the hospital, in critical condition.
Deputy Marshall Barry Giglio was shot and killed, allegedly by the son (Vonteeko Anderson) in the family, who's been arrested for first degree murder + some drug offenses.
Someone else was also arrested but not named or charged.
The father, Sistrane Edwards, is a veteran with 13 years in law enforcement - which is probably why OP's title mentions "two Louisiana cops dead".
And I'm sure the cops who murdered the father and injured the mother won't be charged with first degree murder.
Yep, because qualified immunity.
Qualified immunity just means they can't be sued directly. It's plain old corruption that allows cops to get away with murder.
Someone should shoot them.
Aye you really a "veteran" just because you've had your job for a little over a decade? That's not that long, I've got socks older then that :-/
I took it to mean the more literal "they served some amount of time in the military" rather than "they did their job for a long time"
Most important lines of the article:
Anderson’s sisters say their mother, stepfather, brother, and her brother’s girlfriend had only recently moved into the home where the search warrant was executed.
They say a violent robbery at their previous house forced the family to move there, and they believe that played a factor in what happened Monday night.
This smells of botched paperwork. It wouldn't be the first time a no knock raid caused loss of life because someone didn't bother to double check the address. I'd rather the police not have this in their toolbox. It's too prone to mistakes, qualified immunity means no one is held accountable, and the resulting lawsuits become the tax payer's problem. We need justice, but justice done with due diligence and accountability.
Midnight, no-knock warrants are so good damn stupid and just a recipe to get people killed by dumbass police.
I feel bad for this family, regardless of the was a drug dealer in the house, for having this happen to them to potentially lose two parents like this.
The saddest part is that they murdered innocent people like they do every day. The second saddest part is that some of the pigs survived.
I'm confused, are the cops dead, or the other people, or both? I can't read the article in my country.
Looks like the male resident (former police) died. The female resident is critical. One of the invading police died.