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[–] Kandorr@lemmy.world 177 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this is great. Acknowledge the talent and give them an opportunity.

Maybe Sims 5 will hire the wickedwhims creator and add their skills to the next game...haha

[–] tal@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm kind of surprised that The Sims doesn't have more competition.

It's been many years that the series has been kind of the only entry in the genre.

Yeah, a lot of the other classic Sim games don't have analogs either (though Sim City does), but The Sims is pretty commercially successful.

[–] learningduck@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's The Sims at work by Paradox called Life by You.

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[–] seejur@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

One man can only dream!

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

That's awesome! Elianora's mods have been basically a mandatory download for me for years because the quality is always incredible. She absolutely deserves this.

[–] Techmaster@lemm.ee 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I wonder who they hired to do the facial modelling. The environments look really good but the faces look like games from 15 years ago. I really expected more from the game that Microsoft has been making so much fanfare over.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I really expected more

I'm sorry, but why? Why do people do this every time a new game comes out? This is what Bethesda does, and Microsoft isn't much better.

Every new game it's like people forget what these companies do.

You should've expected a Bethesda game.

Btw elder scrolls 6 will suck, too.

[–] Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's crazy.

Bethesda have owned id Software, the best graphics engineers in the business, for a decade. They now even have Microsoft money. This is still, somehow, the best they can do.

[–] theragu40@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No it is not the best they can do. I haven't played starfield yet, but it should be obvious that no company with shareholders to whom they need to answer is ever going to do "the best they can do".

That isn't even their target, at least not overall. Their target is maximum profitability. Putting forth maximum effort for the best graphics is not going to result in max profits, so they were never going to do that.

And that's to say nothing of the fact that graphical showcases just aren't what Bethesda does in the first place. No one should have expected that. This isn't an id game.

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[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Starfield.....doesn't suck though.

I've sunk 20 hours into it so far and it's amazing. You people just have your expectations up the ass for a company that is great at one formula and expect them to do the other when they never said they would. It's ya'lls fucking fault for expecting No Mans Sky to be the greatest fucking game of all time at release over a company that made fucking Joe Danger.

Cyberpunk 2077 I can understand more as it was made from the guys who made The Witcher 3, so feature wise I can understand the betrayal and they fucked up by lying to us. But it's still ya'lls fault for expecting it to not be buggy and broken as fuck when it was delayed 3 fucking times. The red flags were there, and you STILL bought it.

Oblivion and Skyrim have the same basic formula with little differences sprinkled in here and there mechanics wise that make it feel different, but familiar. Starfield is the same way and I fully expect ES 6 to do the same. But that's fine. I don't want anything groundbreaking. I just want Skyrim but with modern graphics, animations, different setting, and some new mechanics.

Good god you people are negative.

[–] tal@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s ya’lls fucking fault for expecting No Mans Sky to be the greatest fucking game of all time at release

Yeah, having read over a bunch of comments here, a lot of the comments that are unhappy about Starfield are basically people expecting it to be like No Man's Sky, or some people who just don't like Bethesda games in general. The ones that are happy tend to be people comparing it to earlier Bethesda games that they liked.

I really like Bethesda games, so for me, that's great. But I do also get that there are people who don't like Bethesda games, and for those people, being told that they're wrong and that they should like it drives them nuts.

I think a good rule of thumb is to probably expect Starfield to be similar to earlier Bethesda games, like Skyrim and Fallout 4. If you like those games, you'll probably like Starfield. If you dislike them, you're probably going to dislike Starfield.

But trying to convince people who really like Bethesda games that they suck or to convince people who really dislike Bethesda games that they're great is kind of not likely to work well.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

that's your opinion. A lot of people have a lot of fun with bethesda games...

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You’d think Bethesda would notice what you claim to have.

That’s the point.

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[–] tal@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Fallout 4 and Skyrim, modders did ultimately put out high-poly-count heads, high-detail eyes, etc. I imagine that if tradition holds, there will be modders doing the same in Skyrim.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And also probably Starfield 😉

[–] tal@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

TBH the faces look fine for me. At least on major NPCs that have a role. All of the NPCs out in the cities are the ones that look wonky. I give it a pass though considering you'd have to be fucking staring at them immensely to actually notice.

Either way, modders will take care of it. That's the beauty of these games. Anything remotely dumb that Bethesda overlooks, (which is every game) will be fixed.

Still having a ton of fun.

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Meh, being able to build your own ship like Skyrim and kerbal space progran had a baby sounds like it makes up for that but I haven't played the game so idk. Most space games are either a massive ripoff (think Star Citizen) or a major grindfest (Elite Dangerous) so it's good to see someone try to make a space game that isn't like that.

No Man's Sky and Stationeers are almost similar games that are good but in those games the space ship game mechanics and functionality just aren't there.

[–] Techmaster@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I've been playing it and it's a great game. I just wish they could have gotten the faces good enough for the game to showcase what the Xbox and PC are capable of. The environments even look great. They really dropped the ball considering it's Microsoft's biggest first party launch in something like 5 years.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Have no real interest in playing it, but do they still do the Skyrim thing where they have like 5 wildly different voice actors, so it feels like the guards are following you from town to town?

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Why do you think Bethesda is so supportive of the mod scene?

It's a job application.

A few folks who worked on Skyrim worked on Oblivion mods.

Folks who worked on Fallout made Skyrim mods.

Id software (Doom) also hired modders.

Everyone hires modders. Bioware has been hiring them since 2005. Mods are basically a portfolio.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

At a recent talk at Exilecon, one of the creators of Diablo 1 and 2 said that the best thing you can do to get into the game industry is to mod, the first thing they look at is modding experience.

[–] Chailles@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Not just a job application, it's basically also free training and familiarity as well.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do you think Bethesda is so supportive of the mod scene?

Because it creates content for their game without them having to spend money.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Think of more of a platform being sold. I can't think of any other studio that openly embraces the modding community like Bethesda does.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Not to mention Valve.

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[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anybody remember the Deadly Reflex Oblivion mod that Bethesda essentially based Skyrim's combat on?

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh yeah I do. Wow that takes me back. Stamina, kicks, acrobatics, finishing animations and beheadings. That was a great mod.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

The lung collapse from a piercing arrow blew my mind. The gasping and desperately grabbing at the arrow while they collapsed was so advanced.

The Skyrim animations were smoother and more polished. The Deadly Reflex mod was more gritty and badass.

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[–] all-knight-party@kbin.cafe 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pssh, I fucking wish they based combat on that mod. Skyrim's combat is still a little too basic comparatively.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I agree with your sentiment, maybe the word I should have used was 'inspired.' The mod was definitely better than Skyrim's system imo.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In 2050, when Bethesda releases TES 7, it will be just a launcher to Creation Engine editor with half-assed models and a single empty map where modders collaborate to make the game themselves.

In 2127 with the early-access TES 8 it will be just a README file where they say that game should be ready for Christmas of 21XX, if modders won't fuck around and finish making the damn engine.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

hiring modders, which is what folks have been telling bethesda to do since skyrim, is bad and lazy actually

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You joke, but I think a collaborative game project like that would be interesting. Maybe not good, but I'd love to see what would happen with such a thing.

Ooooh... What if the SCP community collectively build the best damn SCP game possible? 🤤

[–] ICE_WALRUS@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Skyblivion is showing a lot of promise.

[–] Natanael 4 points 1 year ago

Twitch plays game dev

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think Starfield has the best lighting I have ever seen without ray tracing. The reflections in puddles of water on Neon are so good.

[–] Targox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better than Cyberpunk without RT? Note, I haven’t played both games, just a question

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really? I'll have to look at the puddles when I get there; I was disappointed to see that mirrors don't work.

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[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 4 points 1 year ago

I found it the worst.

It felt like everyone was sitting under their own personal spotlight. And it’s so harsh on the eyes.

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[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool to see Bethesda being inspired by modders' work and even hiring them

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

It's a welcome change from when they tried to charge money for people to use Skyrim mods

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ohhh I knew there was something different about the clutter placement in Starfield! There's so much of it I catch myself triple checking areas to make sure that I didn't miss anything worth picking up.

[–] netburnr@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like your 345th plant or cup? Just me?

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I gotta make sure I collect all the foam cups.

[–] SadTrain@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was surprised to see all of the styrofoam still being used in the future.

[–] nrezcm@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

It's actually all the old styrofoam that never decomposed.

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