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Murdered by Words

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Responses that completely destroy the original argument in a way that leaves little to no room for reply - a targeted, well-placed response to another person, organization, or group of people.

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[–] SomeoneElseMod@feddit.uk 184 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Amongst other allegations, Courtney Love said they had oral sex when she was just 12 years old.

More about the allegations against him here.

[–] gullible@kbin.social 117 points 1 year ago

What an awful day to be literate.

[–] Asymptote@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago

Huh, se he's one of the reason Courtney Love is that way that she is.

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 95 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Republicans love him because of course they would.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 58 points 1 year ago

They are the party of "every allegation is an admission".

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only other musician that's firmly in their camp is Kid Rock and I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone

[–] moog@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

and kid rock also wrote a song about diddling kids that appeared in the movie Osmosis Jones!

"Young ladies, young ladies, I like 'em underage see Some say that's statutory (But I say it's mandatory)"

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 36 points 1 year ago

I try and ignore Kid Rock as much as possible and didn't think my opinion of him could get any lower. I was wrong, very, very wrong.

[–] kindenough@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

My shit pants guy

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people, conservative or not, could post this image and garner basically no pushback on it whatsoever. Who wants to be the person who's like "hey pedophiles don't deserve that." Like, even if you thought the message was grossly violent, you would scroll past so you don't have to engage in this dumb bullshit.

Not Ted Nugent, though. One of the few people who can post "I hate pedophiles" and get himself buried.

[–] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Conservatives equate all of LGBTQ+ with pedophiles though. That's why they use the phrase "grooming children" to describe talking about anything even remotely related to it, including the mere existence of it.

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[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We’re all talking about how bad of a person he is, but not enough about how stupid he is.

I mean… if I literally wrote a song about wanting to have sex with a 13-year old girl four decades ago you could catch me dead before you see me ever mentioning anything related to minors or pedophilia in the rest of my life. Posting something like this is pretty much asking for people to dig up all the shit you did. Like I never heard about him before this and the first thing I know is that he’s a pedo. Great job I guess?

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago

Like I never heard about him before this

You're lucky. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I knew of him and that he's generally a pos in terms of his politics just from seeing headlines of posts, but TIL because this shithead had to make a sign. It's the very same as how I learned that Kid Rock came from a wealthy family because he had to shoot cans of beer. They're really good at outing themselves.

[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I respect but also feel sorry for people who are sexually attracted to children, but manage to control themselves. They have to work extra hard constantly just to not be monsters, while the rest of us never even have to worry about that.

[–] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well this is certainly a thing that someone typed once. I’d counter that it’s not simply that people are innocently attracted to children and therefore deserve sympathy. I’d say there’s more involved in that attraction. You can’t reasonably engage in any romantic or sexual abuse encounter with a child without there being a totally lopsided power dynamic and a high degree of exploitation. I’d argue that for all such people this is what draws them to it. Within that context it’s not some innocent ‘miswiring’ of the brain but instead an individual that is completely unhealthy and mentally unwell that is entertaining the idea of grooming some child. That’s the part they are after.

I know there’s a movement to try and see pedophiles as anything but what they are and you can sit and have thought experiments about ‘the ones that act vs those that don’t’ but at the end of the day you are left with a deeply unwell individual that desperately needs inpatient psychiatric treatment, psychiatric medication, extensive counseling, and total separation from any children.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Exactly - they need treatment and help so they don't act on it - but with the demonizing that's happening I'd guess that most of them are too scared to open up and try to fight their urge on their own.

I'd guess that pretty much no-one wants to normalise pedophilia in a way that makes acting that attraction out normal but making it more normal to talk about if and seek help similar to how depressions aren't nearly as stigmatized as 50 years ago

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, you'd be wrong. Pedophilia is well studied. It's attraction to children, and there's a huge amount of variation in how that is expressed and how the psychology around it develops through a person's life. Baselessly claiming that all people with pedophilia are just rapists who want easy prey is unhelpful nonsense.

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[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 year ago (23 children)

I respect people who [...] manage to control themselves

That's such a weird thing to say though.

Imagine you are in love with someone but they are not interested. Do you take pride in the fact you didn't rape/groom them because you "managed to control yourself"?

We're not animals. Controlling your sexual desires should be trivial for any decent human being.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Controlling your sexual desires should be trivial

Maybe it should be, but is it actually trivial? Addiction in general is a real thing, isn't it? For someone with say an eating disorder, maintaining a healthy diet isn't trivial at all. Paraphilias are different morally where they involve harming others and not just yourself and so it's more important to not act on them, but I'm not sure that means it's easier for a person with a paraphilia than it is for other sorts of people struggling with controlling their behavior.

IMO what it comes down to isn't whether these people deserve sympathy though, the more important consideration is preventing abuse. To me what the OP image shows is that the "just kill 'em all" attitude is unhelpful bullshit leading to pedophiles and abusers hiding in plain sight. What would be better is a conditionally supportive community that knows what they are and keeps tabs on them well enough to make sure they stay away from kids.

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[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get what you are saying but I think it's probably easier in general for people in normal relationships because even if they get rejected, they have an opportunity to form a relationship with someone else. Someone attracted to minors never gets that chance. They aren't allowed (for good reason) to even try.

Obviously pedophilia isnt a great thing and pedophiles who abuse children should be punished severely, but I don't think it's a choice to be born attracted to minors. So it's unfortunate for them. Definitely not an easy topic.

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[–] bermuda@beehaw.org 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have a sneaking feeling that I'll need some popcorn when looking at replies to this comment. I'll be back later

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[–] moog@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

okay but ted nugent doesnt control himself

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your point is valid, but my assumption when reading this comment is that Nugent is not someone that falls into op’s sphere of empathy.

Completely agree that Ted definitely does not appear to have exercised any restraint on his urges.

Not defending or attacking op’s comment, just trying to read it correctly.

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[–] sverit@feddit.de 33 points 1 year ago
[–] sweetviolentblush@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Well I don’t care if you’re just thirteen, you look too good to be true" lyrics from Ted Nugent - Jailbait

[–] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oof. I was in the car today and Rick James's 17 came on and I felt dirty just listening to it.

A little girl came up to me, acting young and shy

A look of curiosity was flashing in her eyes

She had seen my face before and thought she knew me well

So I said "Shall we talk some more, you'll come to my hotel"

She was only seventeen, seventeen

But she was sexy

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Damn, I guess it's time to bury him too then

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Oh boy, this guy. The Motor City Moron strikes again!

[–] user_AW11@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gee, a real "human being", what an "inspiring" example.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

These celebrities really needs to find better hobbies than posting on Twitter/X.

Like shitposting on Lemmy.

Also, ew, Ted Nugent.

[–] Boi@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Fun fact: that's how we get rose bushes.

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