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[–] miniu@beehaw.org 91 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We'll need to wait for the release. Before launch cyberpunk was also getting good reviews ;)

[–] probably@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly this is what pissed me off about the reaction to cyberpunk bugs. I remember how the fallout games were at launch. And I think even now trying to play new Vegas on Xbox (360 I think?) Has an issue if your save file gets too big where the save will corrupt.

CDPR definitely over promised. But every business does. They probably should've not released on last gen consoles at all, but that is tricky as fuck. I mean when they started to dev cp2077, I doubt Sony and MS even had dev units for next gen. Probably should've delayed last gen release only, made a transparent explanation and apology, and did what they ended up doing after release. But I had a low mid tier PC that played it at a solid 60 fps without major issue at launch. And it was exactly what I had hoped.

I'll probably also really like starfield, warts and all, when it drops. These are just my type of game.

[–] verysoft@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People defending CDPR when they completely lied about the product aha, consumers be crazy these days.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be honest, half the stuff people claim they lied about was always entirely speculation hype that never had any backing.

Otherwise, for some people the game worked just fine. For others the game was nearly or entirely unplayable, and everything in between. Cdpr certainly lied and should have delayed their game's release, probably upwards of a couple years, but the situation is rarely portrayed accurately.

[–] verysoft@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I guess we just imagined their trailers and dev interviews then aha

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying they didn't lie, there are many of features which were at best skeletons of the features that were expected. But I'm just saying a lot of the hype around the game was so out of control you had people on the sub reddit talking about how cool the car customization will be, or how they can't wait to play, what would've amounted to essentially, gtav but with arasaka. Talking any l about features which actively were never even slightly implied to exist.

[–] verysoft@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

People get way too excited for any game, should always expect a pile of shit these days and just be pleasantly surprised instead. People are die hard fans of games like CP2077 before they even release, it's not good.

But expectations don't come from nowhere, a lot of the city stuff they were selling was like GTA, but the AI didn't even release at a 2004 San Andreas level, it's still not as good as GTA AI and that's just people walking/driving around convincingly. GTA V itself was 7 years old when CP2077 released, it's not surprising people were expecting a simulation of the world to be at least as good as that. I think their scope was too big, there was probs a lot of mismanagement behind the scenes. I don't know how they spent 8 years on it and it still turned out like it did, I guess we will never know what happened. The story is the only saving grace, they should have just delayed it and tried to make it a more linear story game and just abandon any RPG-esque/open world elements that were left.

Being critical of games is good, especially ones that completely shit the bed, defending it just leads to more of that in the future. I love BG3 for example, but it has it's fair share of issues that I can point out every time I play it. Why would I not want better products? Why settle for less? There's too much submissive consumerism these days.

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[–] abraxas@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Honestly this is what pissed me off about the reaction to cyberpunk bugs. I remember how the fallout games were at launch

I bought the fallout games at launch. I bought Cyberpunk months after launch when I found it on clearance. Cyberpunk was still far less playable for me than the fallout games were at launch.

This was due to:

  • The game crashing at least once per hour
  • Falling through the ground at least one per hour
  • Dying suddenly though nothing was attacking me at least once per hour
  • Questlines breaking and being un-repairable

Additionally, CP2077 had all the same bugs in Fallout/Elder Scrolls releases.

I usually power through buggy RPG releases, but I waited to give CP a couple more patches before actually trying to play through it.

[–] TheAlbatross@startrek.website 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is an ad.

That said, Bethesda should say less about Starfield, because every time they try to talk it up, it seems less appealing to me.

Really glad this thing is coming out on Gamepass, I don't think I'd try it otherwise.

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

You don't want to play in a sandbox with threeish worlds of actual content and another 900+ of randomly generated garbage missions/barren worlds/mass effect 1 terrain 'exploration'?

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 71 points 1 year ago

Even if it is true, the bar is embedded somewhere on Earth's inner core.

[–] sodiumbromley@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 year ago

To be fair, Bethesda games are a fucking train wreck at launch so this is like an article saying this is the dryest water they've ever made.

[–] LoamImprovement@beehaw.org 38 points 1 year ago

Careful the devil doesn't trip over that bar.

[–] TheTimeKnife@beehaw.org 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a pretty low bar to cross.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, I don't remember Morrowind actually being that bad, but I played on the GotY version so maybe they actually fixed their shit in those days.

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[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the best praise their PR people have to put forward is that it's not quite as horrifically buggy as previous Bethesda games, that's... not a great sign; Microsoft paid $7.5B for ZeniMax in large part so that this specific game would be an Xbox exclusive, if it's not the level of masterpiece that gets people to buy Xboxes just to run it then it'll be one of their biggest fails since Clippy.

[–] CMLVI@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Eh, I'd say that's pretty good in context. Bethesda has, for the most part, put out very successful games. Bugs and Bethesda are pretty synonymous though, and that this is on the less buggy side is something to quell hot takes of "Bugfield" before people even touch it. And I think the embargo restricts deeper comments on the game, so these may he the only comments we get for a few more days.

[–] recycledbits@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"least buggiest"? Hmm, I know what "least buggy" would mean, not sure how to parse this one. On the bottom end of the buggiest bunch?

[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] exscape@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Last time I saw this headline my brain just skipped "least" and read it as the buggiest game to date.

[–] Fafner@yiffit.net 24 points 1 year ago

How far did they dig to find that bar?

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

Take the mask off, Todd, we know it's you!

[–] Plibbert@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah I call bullshit. Plus the least buggy game release ever for Bethesda really isn't setting the bar high.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It only has 69,419 bugs this time instead of the usual 69,420+.

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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

Starfield tastes like shit the least amount of any other Bethesda game!

This almost reads like an Onion headline.

[–] csolisr@communities.azkware.net 15 points 1 year ago

/c/nottheonion@lemmy.world is that way, Todd, please don't trip on the low bar you set while you leave

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As long as they're not game breaking, that's the best we can hope for. Or at least that they are entertaining bugs. With Skyrim, I admit after the patches I missed seeing flying mammoths and cows.

[–] SenorBolsa@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I remember encountering those giants outside whiterun on launch and having one yet me practically to dawnstar. It was hilarious and I wasn't mad at all.

[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of my followers got giant hammered and sent to space. My only reaction was "My stuff".

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[–] dpunked@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Which means nothing and I will still wait for actual reviews after the release

[–] tissek@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

And the unofficial patch that fixes the eorst of the bugs.

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[–] Poob@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Can't tell if this is damning with faint praise, or just an incredible self own

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

That is really not a high bar to cross, though.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still couldn't limbo under the bar that sets. The bugs in Bethesda games are usually not game-breaking (in my experience), but they are legion.

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[–] kyle@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

It just works!

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know, man. The eyes on the lady in the thumbnail pic look like they about to pop out and do all sorts of crazy shit.

[–] runekn@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is photoshopped. The original.

Actually really unethical journalism to do that shit and not even add a disclaimer. And even if they added a disclaimer it should not not be the image that shows alongside the article in a feed.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

theres no way bethesda could make a game that was as buggy as new vegas was at launch (and still is to this day)

[–] their_there@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Bethesda didn't make new vegas though. That was Obsidian.

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[–] 520@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

"and the award for the tallest dwarf goes to...."

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

But does it have 16x the textures?

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

When sky's the limit, that's not really reassuring.

[–] AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

My brain auto-corrected the word "least" out of it and I just thought that was to be expected.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

new tesla model least likely to spontaneously catch fire and explode to date, say sources

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

That's not saying much

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Such a great article full of absolutely nothing.

[–] Blacklight@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Let's hope it's as good as they're hyping it up to be. Until next week!

[–] dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

I will wait till the videogamedonkey breaks the game then I will decide

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