AOC Snub Shows How Democrats Refuse to Learn Lessons of ~~2024~~
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this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2024
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It's really very simple:
On one side, there's integrity and convictions and serving the interests of the American people.
And on the other side, there's a handful of corporations and wealthy individuals who will give them money in exchange for protecting their privilege.
And the Democrats have chosen the money
As have the republicans. So now there are no political options for addressing the material concerns of the working class.
BOLD MOVE COTTON
At least it's on-brand for R. D still tries to pretend otherwise.
So now there are no political options for addressing the material concerns of the working class.
BOLD MOVE COTTON
Good point, that didn't go well last time did it? Those who forget history...
Looks like our politicians are going to be doomed to repeat it.
The issue is that besides money, and thanks to it, power (military, police, etc.) is much more concentrated in the hands of the rich than before, in my view.
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When the right wing voters didn't like what their elected leader were doing, they primaried them with more ideologically pure leaders.
Left wing voters just bitch and moan but take no action proving that some of the qualities the right claims of the left, like being lazy and entitled are true.
The magas have no problem voting for good enough.. Dem base consistently let perfect get in the way of good... And various factions have a different definition of perfect.
Did you read the article? They’re saying that’s possibly what lost AOC some favor with the dem leadership, that she was supporting progressive primary challengers.
What fucking primary?
Primaries are internal party elections that determine what candidate a party will support for presidency. In US generally speaking the Democratic Party primaries are open or semi-open, so every voter can participate.
For example, in lasr Dem primaries approximately 10 million people vited for Bernie Sanders, 2 for Elisabeth Warren, and 20 for Biden, which amounts to less than 20% of registered voters.
The primary every congressional district has. The right ran some crazy fucks against some well established right wing politicians so where is the left's version of this.
Everyone hung up on the presidential primary is failing to heed our own advice to the people who vote for a third party as a protest against the Democratic Party.
They are doing that. At least they did in my state.
The one that exists in the argument but not in reality. Keep up. It's straw man season
I'm sure it has nothing to do with multiple billionaire backers like Trump and Thiel pushing their candidates.
Must just be that the left doesn't care in comparison.
The billionaire backers came after the crazies won against right wing encumbrants.
thiel has been doing thiel things for decades. others too.
This is exactly the attitude I am talking about. You've given up without trying.
Thiel is not a boogeyman.
What billionaire funded AOC?
nothing in your response is actually a response to me. What do you think you're even responding to?
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When the right wing voters didn't like what their elected leader were doing, they primaried them with more ideologically pure leaders.
I've been thinking the same thing. The current form of the Republican party that is MAGA is clearly influenced by the Tea Party movement. The Wikipedia entry say the movement dissolved and doesn't say what legacy it left. But in hindsight, it is clear that it made the Republican party evolve into MAGA that it is today.
The Democratic Party should have its own MAGA movement but from the left. The American left only seem to be animated if the candidate or leader is deemed progressive enough. They don't seem to actively try to influence the Democratic Party themselves unlike what the right did to the Republican Party.
What I find hilarious is that every "progressive" leader that does make their way in ends up being a Republican/Russian puppet. (See Sinema/Fetterman).
Proves horseshoe theory is real. The DNC doesn't care about you guys because you've shown you don't care about the DNC. Bitch all you want but why should they try to pursue lazy kids who bitch and moan but don't vote when it counts or protest vote.
That's why the DNC drives further right because at least that voting base actually consistently votes.
The tea party was astroturfed. There's no wealthy PACs propping up a movement of soc dems like AOC
I don't know. It's not directed at you but I think anyone who disagrees with a movement would always find ways and angles to smear it.
Nonetheless, many of what had been advocated by the Tea Party movement-- both social and economic policies-- are still visibly present and implemented by MAGA. So I think even with astroturfing, the goals of those involved in Tea Party had their way.
even with astroturfing
That's basically the point though, right? Without astroturfing the tea party probably wouldn't have grown into maga. Compare the occupy wall st movement (as mentioned below)-- there was no corporate backing so it fizzled as soon as popular support couldn't sustain it. But money kept pumping into the tea party and it eventually metastasized into maga.
Growing up with these movements, it felt like the Occupy Movement could have been that, but it was smeared by The Powers That Be alongside infighting or a focus on strange parliamentary procedure. It helps with cops also are on your side (Tea Party).
I don’t think the left makes enough persistent noise at their leadership compared to the right. I’m really proud of the recent strike announcements from Unions & hope they stick through the tough shit.
I volunteer in municipal work on a town board local to me. It’s not much, but there’s a few chuckleheads “from the private sector” that think they know everything in five minutes. If you put hard facts and actually argue them in proper settings with conviction, you can at least have a voice in the bullshit around you.
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Failing to cultivate younger politicians is exactly why people are disillusioned with the party, and why they had to keep running Biden in the first place. SMH
It should have been Bernie in 2016, yet here we are.
At least the Palestinian genocide is over now because those Dems didn't learn the lesson or whatevs.
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I'm one of those people who spent a lot of time cheer-leading the Democratic party and the Harris campaign before the election. I still think it was the right thing to do given the alternative. AND I still think that anyone who stayed home or voted for Trump is a moron. But now that the worst possible thing has come to pass and we're gonna have to spend the next couple of decades dealing with the consequences anyway: Fuck the Democrats. I'm done.
Fuck the Democrats. I’m done.
the only thing that matters to them is that you vote for them in 2028 and people will be calling you a moron for not falling in line.
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Honestly, Pelosi has been a non-stop blight. It's time to cut out the cancer, here.
I’m not sure USA politics can be solved by replacing individuals. Seems to be an institutional issue
To extend the cancer metaphor, a metastisized cancer can still be worth operating on to give the chemotherapy a better chance of success.
You have to replace individuals to change the institutions
I think we need to sacrifice a few more CEOs to the money gods just to test this theory. For science.
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I think it's important to realize that there is corruption in the Democratic party (too). We need a left wing party. People paint left wing ideas as crazy but the opposite is true.
Most people have realized it. But many people also keep repeating the "2 party, can't be helped, lesser evil" line. This latter point is the problem.
I mean, the whole political system has been corrupted by capitalism, with politicians spending 30% of their time fundraising and meeting with lobbyists. Lobbying is essentially legal bribery so there's no need for illegal corruption. However, elected representatives should not be acting against their constituents interests.
Too soon to expect that. They still haven't learned their lesson from 2016. A lesson from 2024 never stood a chance.
They haven't learned their lesson since 1980.
They don't care if they protect their party or the people they represent. They care about getting as much personal wealth as possible for themselves. Exactly the same as Republicans but they at least represent a portion of their voters by passing crazy laws for them.
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