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As a strong supporter of open-source and community-funded projects like Lemmy, which prioritize serving users over investors, I believe Lemmy has significant potential, and that's why I am here. However, it is clear that its growth is nearing a plateau in its current form. Despite the surge in users following Reddit's API changes, Lemmy continues to primarily attract tech-savvy individuals, politically left-aligned users, and those accustomed to old Reddit. For Lemmy to reach the broader average general audience, meaningful changes are necessary.

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter. This same ease of use is what Mastodon lacked, leading to its initial hype fading quickly. The average user is unlikely to adapt to something that feels complicated or unfamiliar, and this challenge also applies to Lemmy.

As someone who started as an average Reddit user and became more tech-savvy over time, I can confidently say that first impressions matter. When users first visit lemmy.world, the default UI is often enough to discourage them from staying. Most will not explore the homepage sidebar to explore, figure out and switch to one of the alternative UIs available, which is unfortunate because a better UI could make a huge difference.

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface. Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit. It makes excellent use of screen space and provides customization options like compact and cozy views. Unlike some other alternative UIs, Photon is actively maintained and ready for widespread use, although in no way is it perfect, this can also help bring in more contributors to the project development.

While it is important to continue offering other UIs as options, I believe adopting Photon as the default UI could make Lemmy far more appealing to the average Reddit user. First impressions are crucial, and the current default UI has turned off many potential users. If we want Lemmy to succeed as a true Reddit alternative, we need to prioritize user experience and accessibility. Thankfully today, Lemmy still continues to be THE biggest Reddit alternative, while our userbase is still considerably smaller than Reddit, it's the biggest of any alternatives, and Lemmy continues to somewhat be in the spotlight for those seeking alternatives, we can't let growth stagnate, it's high time we make the platform more welcoming and appealing for the average joe.

EDIT: The image I attached is from photon.lemmy.world, which I just realized is using the outdated version of Photon, I have updated the image to the updated current photon version from phtn.app. There are a lot of improvements made.

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[–] sprack@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That’s too much padding. It needs to be more like Hacker News.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)
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[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

I don't see any issue with the current UI.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Nah that looks like convoluted shit. Simple is better. Like old Reddit. Your screenshot looks like new Reddit dogshit.

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago

I think we need to actually do some new user testing, instead of endless discussion with nothing to back it up.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

The Lemmy UI is easy enough to use IMO. Where the problems show up are:

  • Unreliable linking to other comments and posts. It is annoying to no end to receive a link to someone's comment and be unceremoniously ripped out of your home server and put onto the federated one no longer logged in etc... This behaviour should somehow be prevented

  • a quick reference to the text commands easily found somewhere (ie: sidebar)

  • I'd prefer more theme and colour options

  • Fix the text interface so it respects carriage return entries properly. If I want to start a new line directly under the current one (edit: AFI knew after 4+ months of use) there is

no way

to do

it.

Make it so a single carriage return is acknowledged and correctly starts a new line right underneath, or automatically forces a blank line between. This needing double entry is unintuitive and wrecks many new user's first hundred post's appearance.

Finally, the premise: Lemmy.world should be more welcoming is itself undesirable. That instance is already taking up an inordinate number of users so IMO every other instance (except the awful ones, we all know who they are) should be using a better UI, not L.W

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

no way

to do

it.

your can use
two space at the end of the line
to achieve this

For the links, it's being worked on, should be part of 0.20: https://lemmy.ml/post/23245384

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

I personally really dislike new reddit and the Photon theme. I'd say no to any change to my main instance.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm on Fedia. It's pretty solid, UI-wise. I actually find it more usable than Reddit and its terrible way of trimming down threads by default.

What I've seen of Lemmy does seem a bit messier to read, though.

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[–] johntash@eviltoast.org 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I might have missed it, but why is it clear that lemmy is reaching a plateau of users?

[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago (10 children)

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter.

I think many people use Bluesky instead of Mastodon because of its UX, not its UI. Both looks great (I think Mastodon even nicer!).

I personally use Mastodon, but I've seen people complain about their experience with it.

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 days ago

But I like the current UI...

[–] quink@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago
  1. With what I think are near enough default settings, Voyager shows me about 9 stories. It doesn't feel cramped and the layout is regular, everything lines up.
  2. With what I think are near enough default settings, my browser here shows me 14 stories, with a good accessible font size by default and me easily zooming out to 80%. It doesn't feel cramped and the layout is regular, everything lines up.
  3. I can see 2 stories in that screenshot. Why would I want to have something that's at least 5 times worse, it feels cramped and parts of it line up I guess?
[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 9 points 6 days ago

I literally hate the new reddit UI, as do most peeps I've spoken with...

The new reddit UI is designed to push ads, and push premium subs.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 8 points 6 days ago

I don't use lemmy, so I don't have to suffer it's UI. I use Mbin/Kbin and the UI is almost perfect with the settings I changed, I get like 8-9 posts simply laid out with a little thumbnail and the title, no useless features or buttons. Just like old classic reddit, just slightly less compact.

But this "Photon UI" looks absolutely disgusting, I get it might be how the modern web is, but modern isn't always a good thing, especially when talking about UI/UX.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I like it simple. I use Jerbora on Android and can't be happier. I use duckduckgo browser and it's YouTube mode, so I have no ads, cookies, trackers or popups. It's actually close to perfect.

Compared to e.g. Discord, I feel like wasting most screen real estate for static eye candy info,... no thanks.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 10 points 6 days ago

Mastodon is easy to use, it had no chance to become neo-twitter for other reasons.

Can you accept organic growth and not being the bestest best with three billions people?

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago

I'm on Eternity for lemmy. Best app cause I came from Infinity for reddit

[–] astro_ray@piefed.social 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Lemdro.id uses Photon as it's default UI, but it's incredibly slow and sometimes it doesn't even load properly. As much as I love the polish, I wouldn't recommend it as default UI. Using photon as an alternative UI is much better option.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago
[–] rglullis@communick.news 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 6 days ago

Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit.

What about Tesseract?

https://dubvee.org/

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface.

That's something to be discussed per server. You should maybe ask LW staff to open a poll on their announcements community

[–] mystik@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

/me pines for the days of protocol over interface. NNTP + killfiles were the bees knees. Then we could just all pick our own interface to connect to any lemmy host.

[–] Metz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why photon? alexandrite is insanely much better imho: https://a.lemmy.world/

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