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When a clothing store opened in Cedar Glen, Calif., in the summer of 2021, the owner hung a Pride flag at the entrance, her friends recalled. Whenever someone would tear down the flag, owner Laura Carleton would raise another one.

But after someone complained about the flag on Friday, the encounter turned deadly.

A man arrived at the store, Mag.pi, around 5 p.m. and criticized Carleton’s Pride flag before he shot her, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department. Carleton, 66, was pronounced dead at the scene.

The shooter, whom authorities have not publicly identified, died following “a lethal force encounter” with deputies after the shooting, the sheriff’s department said in a statement.

Community members have since rallied around Carleton’s store, placing Pride flags, flowers, candles and photos of Carleton in front of it. Matthew Clevenger of Lake Arrowhead LGBTQ+ said Carleton was a strong ally of the LGBTQ+ community.

“She was a fierce protector of everybody being who they wanted to be,” Clevenger told The Washington Post.

Carleton, who went by Lauri, began working in fashion as a teenager at her family’s business, Fred Segal in Los Angeles, according to Mag.pi’s website. After graduating from the ArtCenter College of Design in Pasadena, Calif., Carleton worked at a retail store before joining Kenneth Cole in the 1980s. Carleton worked for the fashion company for more than 15 years as an executive.

In 2013, Carleton founded her clothing store, Mag.pi, on Ventura Boulevard in Studio City, Calif. She added a second store in Cedar Glen in 2021. While she built her career, Carleton married her husband and took pride in their blended family of nine children, her store’s website says.

Carleton was one of the largest donors to Lake Arrowhead LGBTQ+ and attended the organization’s Pride boat parade in June, Clevenger said. A section of Mag.pi was dedicated to rainbow-colored products, and she displayed rainbow candles by the cash register, he said.

Carleton helped create a culture in which the LGBTQ+ community felt accepted, Clevenger said. But some community members were still resistant, he added, and took down Mag.pi’s Pride flag multiple times.

After making “disparaging remarks” about the Pride flag on Friday, a man shot Carleton before fleeing, according to the sheriff’s department. He was holding a handgun when deputies found him on a nearby road, where he later died, officials said.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 62 points 1 year ago (26 children)

The Republican party needs to be forcibly dissolved, or this will keep happening.

Unfortunately, liberals would rather shove their heads in the sand and keep trying to play nice with these fascists.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe people have the right to be who they are as long as it isn't hurting others, but Intolerance should be met with intolerance, nothing less will do.

[–] DadWagonDriver@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (13 children)

What are we supposed to do? Seriously.

Congress is a logjam in both chambers.

The military would split if you tried to force red states to stop being shitty.

Most of our top weapons are in those red states.

So what’s the solution that doesn’t lead to half the country dead?

Plus, on the world stage, a “United” United States protects countries like Ukraine, Japan, South Korea, etc. What happens when we’re gone? China becomes dominant and just starts enslaving people in the lands it takes? The Saudis take over parts of the world and bring their shittiness with them? Russia fucks up more of Eastern Europe?

So what’s the answer here to some really complex questions?

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The answer is not to lose the 2024 elections and even exceed what we did before. That starts at the local leveling and volunteering with voters rights groups and getting the youth registered to vote. And we must do this the next election. And the next. Until we can close loop holes to prevent further coups by Republicans.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am as anti-republican as I can possibly be, but even so I realized that the current MO of the democratic party is not to overthrow the Republicans or stop them from doing horrible shit because they're profiting immensely from it.

They get so much grassroots support because they are not the bad guys that they don't even have to try to be the good guys anymore.

With that being said, they have actually done some good and I'm not against the democrats. I'm just not satisfied with their commitment to the cause and I really wish they would step it up, and any Democratic candidate that is closer to my ideal will get my vote over any establishment candidate.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unfortunately it's going to take time now to get more desirable candidates. Trump did so much damage to the country that we'll be undoing it a while.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

We need to be the change we want to see. Representatives like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez weren't recruited by the Democratic Party. They ran and won as Democrats often much to the chagrin of the National Party. They won't make it easy. And they will absolutely try to recruit people to run against candidates that don't play ball with them. But they can still lose no matter how hard they try.

[–] Telorand@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

They get so much grassroots support because...

This is your answer. The change we want isn't going to happen at the federal level only. The DNC has had a really terrible leader up until recently, but even so, they don't have a good pulse on the left-electorate. They can't seem to figure out that the country isn't center anymore.

The reason we didn't have a "red tsunami" at the midterms, which going on historical trends should have happened, is because of the extremely hard work of grassroots orgs that mobilized the voters on the left (typically low-turnout voting bloc) in local, state, and federal races. And they did all that on a shoestring budget, with little to no help from the DNC.

The change is going to have to be from the local level up. That's how the GOP got to their "minority rule" status, and it's how we'll win back true democracy.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Contrary to what people believe, the US military has a fairly good cross sectional representation of the American populace. It is most certainly not right wing. I've known more than a few active duty military members and actually most were moderate to liberal on the political spectrum. And fairly intelligent.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, vote. They think they can act like this because of Trump giving them the go ahead. Move the Overton window.

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[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Liberals are spineless cowards, we have to fight back. The fascists gave us permission to use deadly force and self-defense the moment they use deadly force against us

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

How many normal people will we allow conservatives to kill before we act? History has shown that an infestation of conservatism cannot be cured by pacifism.

The war conservatives insist on waging against normal people will look exactly like this story. Conservative murders normal person in act of terrorism.

Do your part to train and prepare. You don't have to be a fighter to help others. Learn to evac wounded and administer trauma first aid. Teach others. Do your part.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s definitely going that direction, and with no one willing to do what it takes to shut them down, America is destined to end up in another civil war.

Of course, I’ve no doubt it’ll be over quickly and the conservative party will be abolished- it’ll still result in an unnecessary loss of a lot of lives.

What an embarrassment america has become.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

There is nothing conservative about radical rightwing authoritarianism. They are fascists.

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this kinda literally the scene from Boys when the idiot gets brainwashed online to being a hate filled fascist cunt who then walks into a store and killa the cashier because he thinks he is a supe-terrorist

but conservatives absolutely won't get the metaphor in that shit.

https://youtu.be/KZVAFPPMZY4

watch conservative shitheads distance themselves from this, fox news will claim they had nothing to with this while pushing thwir hate filled fear mongering shit

[–] MajorJimmy@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing quite like murdering somebody over the fucking light spectrum.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not just a light spectrum! A symbol of freedom to be yourself, too. While I certainly agree they don't like colors, they also definitely don't like people being comfortable in their own skin

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That flag was coming right for him, he had to stand his ground

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Well, you know. You'll just be sitting there, minding your own business, and they'll come marching in, and crawl up your leg, and start biting the inside of your ass, and you'll be all like, 'Hey! Get out of my ass you stupid rainbows!'"

[–] MajorJimmy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Conservatives and being murderers. Goes together like bread and butter.

[–] Filipdaflippa@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Sounds like America

[–] UnlimitedRumination@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm not saying this to cast doubt on anything, I believe the reason given for the attack, I'm simply curious (probably because I used to be a first responder). One thing I haven't seen explained in the articles I've read about this story is how do we know that he assaulted her for the flag and then shot her? Who called 911? How did they know who the suspect was?

The most plausible explanation to me is she was still alive when the cops got there but died before the paramedics were able to transport her, so she was able to tell them something, since no witnesses were mentioned. Second most plausible is there were witnesses.

Craziest exception to the hearsay rule is the dying declaration.

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wasn't she killed in her store? Virtually every store these days has security cameras. As for who called 911, guns are loud. Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, there will be people who hear the gun shot, even if they don't see what happened.

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[–] ech0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

In most cases I believe in people getting a fair trial, but in this case I'm glad he was killed by police at the scene. Fuck the piece a of shit.

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