As a russian I feel this a lot :/

Because Israel was always a colonialist project. The last one of a dead age. The people who like Israel think Thanksgiving was how settlers treated the Indigenous Americans.

Or, like, Palestinians.

Liberals support Israel because of Cold War propaganda labeling. That evolved into the good guys versus terrorism propaganda we have now, which blinded us to things like stealing land, the blockade, interfering in elections, and indefinite detainment without charges or trial. It was all hand waived because "terrorists". But in reality it was the only way left for them to try to defend their sovereignty.

What?!? This was a perfect opportunity to ~~get rid of Jews and Brown people at the same time~~ settle the promised land! Did you really expect the ~~racists~~ upstanding European leaders not to take it?

Maybe because Britain had already mandated a Zionist quasi-state (that would eventually become modern day Israel) and Zionist Jews were already migrating there even before the Holocaust? Or are we simply ignoring that part of history?

Yep, I always thought a better idea for a state of Ashkenazi Jews would be to create it from pieces of Bavaria, Austria, maybe even a bit of Sudetes. Make it sort of a crossroads state, to minimize abuse by, ahem, any separate neighbor. Because immediately after WWII it would be weird to expect from Germans any kind of neighborly attitude.

And the opportunity would be long lost, if not for the fact that Germans so fscking love their Holocaust apologies virtue signaling. They have themselves maintained what is required to make the matter relevant.

I suggest resettling Israel to Passau. Yep, they may not have Haifa beaches, but they will have some Danube to look at.

And it will be really funny, Germans are too obnoxious, observing the process will be very funny.

Zionism at its most reductive and ideal is the idea that Jewish people should have a state/homeland that will never persecute them for being Jewish.

In theory, that is what Joe Fucking Biden meant when he told a crowd of Jewish people that he was a Zionist.

The problem starts when you start asking questions like: "How do you do that?" and the actual Zionists, surprisingly, aren't that interested in the creation of a secular state, or what's going to happen to the non-Jewish people already living there.

So, that's the meme. The conflict between the ideal and the reality, this weird thought space between concept and reality that really only takes a person thinking one step ahead to notice but liberals, like Joe Biden, didn't and don't.

If you're being generous to liberals, and not a realist who knows they're active and knowledgeable participants.