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What's With the Wesley Hate? (lemm.ee)
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I watched TNG from beginning to end and throughout it tried to see anything to be critical of about Wesley and couldn't find anything. What's the big deal?

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well, at the time the main complaint people had was more about him being shoehorned into things in a way that didn't make sense combined with him being "superkid".

But yeah, I always thought the character was more of a positive than a negative, even when he was badly written. If nothing else, it gave younger viewers/fans a bit of a viewpoint character that was pretty rare in sci-fi that wasn't kid oriented to begin with.

Plus, Wheaton did damn fine job considering the scripts were sometimes not really good dialogue for him. Stilted, a bit too "I'm an adult trying to write a teenager, but can't actually remember what it was like"; and often not really about his character as much as they needed someone to do the things he was doing, and Wesley's turn came up. Hell, if you factor in the shit the guy was going through at home, he was amazing.

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago

The whole show, including his character, dramatically improved as it went on. Wesley was awesome in that later episode with pre-Tom Paris.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 38 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Some of the "hate" might be overblown (and played up). But he's still a poorly written character. He's boring and one dimensional. There's conflict right there, his dad died under Picard's command, and Picard now wants to boink his mom. But he's just normal teenage asshole + nerd trying to get into Starfleet Academy. He swoops in to solve a problem like a deus ex machina device one moment, then is a stupid angsty teen the next.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also, he's kind of written as a nerd in a bad way; not bookish or introverted, or almost autistically passionate about one or two topics, but a sort of do-gooder ass-kisser. The kind of guy who'd rat you out for hacking the holodeck to have a booze-fueled orgy with a bunch of simulated women designed from an adolescent's ideal of unrealistic expectations.

Enterprise crew are supposed to be the best of Starfleet, having worked their way to the top of the lists to get there. Wesley's there because his mom made it on the list; there's no reason to expect he'd be any different from other teens: hormonally driven, prone to bad judgment and still figuring out life as a young adult. But that's not how he's written.

Put the Wesley character into any high school, and he'd be bullied. Even nerds wouldn't like him.

I mean, what you said: he's written as if by someone who's forgotten what it's like to be a teenager.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago

The kind of guy who’d rat you out for hacking the holodeck to have a booze-fueled orgy with a bunch of simulated women designed from an adolescent’s ideal of unrealistic expectations.

"There are some games I'm not ready for yet."

Bullshit, you'd be going to pound town the minute you got down to that planet and you would have broken their law by fucking your way onto that greenhouse.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago

He's very much a Mary Sue-type character.

[–] proper@lemmy.world 40 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

found Wills alt, y’all

[–] dharmacurious 15 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

I wish Will would make a Lemmy account. I've always wanted to chat with him. Dude just seems legit fucking cool.

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 1 points 56 minutes ago

Didn't he have a mastodon account for a while? I think he accidentally got a TERFy blocklist and got harassed off the platform over it.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

He used to be pretty active on reddit, and he was pretty fucking cool. If you didn't hassle him and just had a conversation like he wasn't famous, he was even cooler.

I don't think he's using much of anything social media related frequently any more though, not on an account connected to him in an obvious way for sure. Can't say I blame him.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago

I'd just like to thank him for possibly changing my life. My husband had a tweenage crush on Wesley which caused him to be into nerdy guys like me as an adult. So I might be married thanks to Will's role on TNG.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 4 points 5 hours ago

I've talked to him a few times in century club and around reddit/Google+ in the old days, he seems like a decent guy IMO

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I've thought that for a long time. I'd love if he'd hang out here, and would hope he'd be respected being here (like he wasn't on Reddit)

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 22 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Shut up Wesley.

He was a child prodigy on board a pretty cool starship, and he got away being annoying to the Captain. We all wanted to be in his shoes... but it was just a bloody fantasy. So we began to hate him.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago

I didn't hate him because I wanted to be him, I hated him because he was a gary stu, fellow-kids sort of character.

[–] BangelaQuirkel@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I wanted to be Riker but ok

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 4 hours ago

Weird maneuver, but ok

[–] infectoid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I wanted to be Data.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

He came across as the Scrappy Doo of Star Trek. Small and annoying.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

For one thing, he grows up to be a dick.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 hours ago

Shut up, Wesley.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 0 points 6 hours ago

Agreed. There were a couple of scenes where he was kinda whiney, but overall i think he's a very compelling character who i enjoyed watching