Claims in 'Duty To Warn' Letter to Harris Alleging Compromised Election Are Misleading : news

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

North Carolina

Spoonamore alleged that the purported hacking and fraud in North Carolina proved to be "the most extreme" and that "the public results indicate over 350,000 voters cast a ballot for Trump and no other race." However, this is false.

According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections' website, as of Nov. 21, 5,722,556 voters cast ballots. Of those, 5,699,152 ballots displayed votes in the race for president. The website also reported that 5,592,243 ballots bore votes for the state's governor's race. A comparison of the numbers for total votes and the gubernatorial race would reveal the maximum number of possible "bullet vote" ballots for all presidential candidates. The difference between the two numbers is 130,313 votes — a count nowhere near the 350,000 votes stated by Spoonamore. Trump received 183,048 more of North Carolinian's votes than Harris.

Welp.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

That's not how this works folks. You are supposed to ignore all evidence to the contrary, then spend the next 4 years claiming the election was stolen and whining like a spoiled toddler

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

He told a good, plausible story. The count claims were the first thing I was going to verify, and Snopes pointed right to the actual source.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like the folks who felt super justified in not voting are now obsessive on this. but. but. other people were supposed to get us the democrat against our will....

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is not my experience at all. I'm mostly seeing people the, "Harris ran a perfect campaign," crowd buying in on this one.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

who is like ran a pefect campaign? no politician runs a perfect campaign any more than anything else is perfect in the world. It was fine relative to any other, but elections should not be determined by how well campaigns are run. If politicians put up a an accurate list of their accomplishments and platform online and participate in debates that should all that be needed for an electorate to vote in the modern age.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

who is like ran a pefect campaign?

Joy Reid. She was very impressed that Queen Latifah endorsed her. It's made her into a sort of a poster child for liberals who are delusional about the Democrats flaws.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yeah, we're the people that always love to talk about evidence. So, let's make sure we're applying that principle evenly and demanding and looking at evidence for claims we like the sound and feeling of.

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[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Bullet votes" completely jibe with the narrative that a small but significant percentage of Trump voters are willfully low-information, so un-invested in the democratic process that they can't be bothered to take the time even to vote a straight party ticket, and think that voting for a single strong-man will fix all their problems. The non-electoral factors behind all this are deeply troubling, and many of them are criminal, but for the actual voting there's no need to invent a conspiracy when simple shittiness will do.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The bullet ballot nonsense was started by a Republican kook that's made fake election claims about every election going all the way back to 2008.

Definitely something to ignore.

[+] Not_mikey -9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems people just aren't going to accept elections any more. Yeah trump was the most blatant and harmful but the democrats were pushing russiagate until it hit its dead end and now this.

Starting to think democracy may not be able to survive the internet

[–] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How do you define Russiagate?

Are you saying Russia didn't/does not meddle in elections? Or that Trump and his team didn't have ties to it? Or that Russian influence didn't actually tip the scales? Or something else?

[–] Not_mikey -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah they at least tried to
Probably but those ties seem very loose. From what I can tell there wasn't much organization at all in the trump campaign , much less effective coordination with Russia. It wasn't Kissinger coordinating with south Vietnam to keep the war going or Reagan talking to Iran to not free the hostages.
Maybe but that's only because the scales were so even. It may be a reason she lost, we can't know because we don't know how many people it actually flipped but my guess is very small compared to the other reasons clinton lost. I don't think it invalidates the election though as fundamentally it was still Americans freely choosing Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton through the broken electoral college. This happens quite often, like the examples above, even in this election it looks like netanyahu was holding off on a ceasefire in Lebanon to keep Biden from getting a win, that doesn't invalidates the election though.

Also I think democrats used it as a cope and scape goat for there electoral problems instead of addressing the actual major reasons people voted for trump. They failed to learn there lesson in 2016 and now here we are.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Loose? Are you uninformed or purposefully spreading disinformation?

Finally, the Committee's bipartisan Report shows that almost immediately following Election Day in 2016, the Trump transition responded to Russia's election interference not by supporting punitive action, but rather by holding a series of secretive meetings and communications with Russian representatives that served to undercut the outgoing administration's efforts to hold Russia accountable. The transition's openness to this private Russian outreach prior to taking office, so soon after Russia's interference on Trump's behalf, combined with Trump publicly questioning Russia's involvement, signaled that there was little intention by the incoming administration to punish Russia for the assistance it had just provided in its unprecedented attack on American democracy."

I have no idea if it tipped the scales either and I agree we'll never know. But it seems important to point out the fact that the Trump campaign consistently cooperated with a hostile foreign government. If you want to call that "pushing russiagate"... Sure? I guess?

They failed to learn there lesson in 2016 and now here we are.

You realize they won in 2020, right? So, did Dems learn a lesson which won them 2020 and then forget this time around? It kinda seems like you're just spewing nonsense.

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